Logs of Eric S. Raymond forum
Logs of Saturday's open source forum with Eric S. Raymond are now
on the some.net website:
http://www.some.net/transcripts/esr-980509-opensource.log
ESR -------
<lilo> Tylenol (a developer with the gimp project) asks: doesn't the
Open Group sort of "taint" the use of the word "open"?
<esr> We thought about that. But (a) when we cooked up the term,
they weren't being twits about the X11 license yet, and (b)
we kicked around a lot of alternatives and couldn't do better
than "open source" ... a decision the Freeware Summit
ratified, BTW.
<esr> I guess one message I have is that our little factional fights
don't matter. We know who the real enemy is, and it's not
even Bill Gates. It's inertia, laziness, bad habits, and the
closed corporate mindset.
<Teknix> Do you think their embracing of Open Source will bring others
with them?
<esr> I'm talking with three Fortune 500 companies right now, and
none of them is Netscape or Corel.
<Culus> esr: Ooh, good question, How is netscape feeling post-open source?
<esr> Culus: They're damn happy. Top software engineers are
banging on their door looking for jobs.
<esr> In the long run, what Bill wants won't matter. If economic
reality favors the open source model (as I believe it
generally does) we'll win. If it doesn't we'll lose. Either
way Bill Gates is a symptom, not a cause. Treating him as a
primary cause is a mistake.
Stephen Tweedie -------
<lilo> while we're waiting, maybe we can talk with Stephen just a bit
on his experiences in working in the Linux kernel
<sct> Of course, there were a lot of _very_ busy people on the
kernel even then:
<sct> for a while, we had "EYC", the Eric Youngdale Consortium, a
nickname Eric got because he was _obviously_ submitting more
patches than any one person could generate. :)
<sct> As far as the filesystem is concerned, there will probably not
be much more in 2.2, simply due to the proximity of the code freeze
<sct> although I'm going to try to get raw device access in if we can.
<sct> But there are several very important strands of filesystem
extensions going on which we plan to start integrating early
on in 2.3
<sct> Ted Ts'o has started work on doing btree directory support,
and hopefully we can extend that to encompass btree mapping of
file extents
<sct> That will make very large directories and very large sparse
files work rather well on Linux.
<sct> Journalling support should also be going in (miguel has been
contributing to some of the design work here, too).
<sct> Finally there are existing extensions such as the e2compress
and ACL support which need to be merged, and the 64-bit file
support.
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