Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list
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Subject: Re[2]: Expelling David Cinege from the list
From: David Neuer
Date: 8/22/97 8:53 AM
I didn't mean to insult you David (well, maybe to tease a little). I just meant
to use sarcasm to indicate my frustration with the degree to which this thread
has taken over this mailing list. I strongly believe (as a Debian user) that
most Debian users don't care about this issue at all. I also think that
probably the majority of users would accept the reasons given for the change as
being valid ones.
Most importantly, however, I am sick of having to wade through these messages in
my Mailbox. The Debian mailing lists frequently crash my mail reader at work.
I don't mind this for mail that is informative and provides me with meaningful
information that helps me as a Debian user, but if most of the messages are
meaningless bickering, then it's not worth the hassle.
Perhaps you should start a new list devoted to debating policy.
Anyway, I hope this thread stops soon.
Dave N.
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Subject: Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list
From: "Dave Cinege" <dcinege@psychosis.com> at Internet
Date: 8/22/97 12:22 AM
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:54:36 -0400, David_Neuer@stream.com wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Dave Cinege wrote:
>>
>>>> Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you.
>>>>
>>>Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced
>>>from the list. Like Behan said, grow up.
>>
>>Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech.
> ^^^^
>>Dare you use your filter instead.....
>
>and in another post to the list:
>
>>
>>There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no
> ^^^^^
>>good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys),
>>and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>>system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now
I'm
>>ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>I say we bump him not only to "stifle his bad speech," as he put it, but also
>for his bad *spelling*. This type of spelling reflects poorly on the entire
>Debian community. At a time when Debian and the Linux community as a whole
is
>doing such a great job of promoting the idea of free software, this could cast
a
>serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality
software
>from people who can't even spell simple English words like "wield," "quiet,"
>"pathetic" and "venting?"
>
>Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: "No
>wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type of
>education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income
neccessary
>to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by
>people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr.
>Computer User?"
>
>Expanding on his own argument that having Debian incorporate will hurt the
>distribution, I agree fully that having an actual organization with liability
>for stabilizing releases can only hurt. I mean, who the hell is going to trust
a
>distribution that comes from an actual organized entity rather than some
>collection of nameless developers? Not me! And as far as paying goes, great
>free software is our (users') birthright. If the debian developers want to go
>down in OS history, THEY SHOULD BEAR THE ENTIRE COSTS OF THE
DISTRIBUTION AND
>LIKE IT! Fame and immortality come at a high price (some might even say they
>are priceless).
>
>However, I am much more concerned about the impact that bad spelling will have
>on the distribution. Swearing will intimidate Debian's rivals, and should be
>promoted wholeheartedly! But poor spelling will simply give them more ammo
>against non-commercial software, and that's something we can't afford.
>
>Now that we are done discussing these weighty matters that profoundly affect
the
>average Linux user, can we have a little lighter subject matter? A little
>comedy relief like helping users solve technical problems and get up and
>running?
>
putz....
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