Dont know much about ioctal either. I use sudo (there is a Debian package for it) to allow users to do specific things as root, such as bring pppd up and down. If you have a way to bring up ppp as root, this should work for you too. Mike Taylor -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to firstname.lastname@example.org . Trouble? e-mail to email@example.com .