I know that /etc/passwd must be readable by world but if shadow passwording is used can /etc/shadow be set to only read/write by root. How do I setup shadowing, I know there is the libpam package but other than that I'm basically lost. -- Jason Killen Question Stupidity Ma ma's don't let your babies grow up to be Linux hackers Monolith : the new ANSI standard for humans PGP fingerprint = 64 71 48 14 31 AE C6 70 E4 4F 64 EB 3B AA 00 6B jkillen@tinuviel.cs.wcu.edu