Can you guys _please_ take this discussion off of the list? We like Red Hat. It's technically on a par with Debian. Debian and Red Hat have been designed with different goals in mind. Comparative discussions of the two systems belong in another venue. This list is for user support of Debian systems. Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Pixar Animation Studios: Reality is not our business. Pixar's "Toy Story" $184.5M domestic, $66M overseas and counting.