iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) writes in part > They need never know. Exactly. It won't change _anything_ for the average user. The change _only_ affects group permissions. Nobody bothers with group permissions normally , partly because they couldn't be bothered because it is too difficult mucking around with newgrp, chmod and umask. This way, group permissions will suddenly become practical after 20 years of unix! Hooray! -- -Matt Hannigan