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Re: Re: problemas tarjeta de sonido



Camaleon:

He encontrado algo en la red que creo que podria ayudarme a resolver
mi problema, pero me gustaria que pudieras darle un vistazo antes de
que pudiera intentar (yo) algo.

El link es: http://www.ecualug.org/2008/09/12/comos/como_configurar_sonido_nvidia_corporation_mcp61_high_definition_audio_rev_a2

Gracias

2011/11/25 rantis cares <rantiscares@gmail.com>:
>> he intentado instalar una tarjeta de audio, siempre lo habia realizado
>> perfectamente y sin nigun problema (hasta que llego el fatidico dia en
>> que no pude).
>
> ¿Versión de Debian?
>
> Debian lenny
> uname -a
> Linux SMD-09 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sat Dec 27 21:17:46 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> ejecuto
> cat /etc/debian_version
> 4.0
>
>
>
>> resulta que siempre que quiero instalar una, realizo lo siguiente.
>>
>> apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools
>>
>> y ejecuto
>>
>> alsaconf
>>
>> Me pide que elija la tarjeta y listo, funciona todo perfectamente, pero
>> ahora resulta que me aparece un mensaje:
>>
>> No supported pnp or pci card found.
>>
>> ya lei manuales y nada, no he podido por el momento. Me estoy
>> desesperando.
>
> Pregunta tonta... ¿te funciona el sonido? Prueba con "speaker-test" o
> "aplay".
>
> Al ejecutar speaker-test
>
> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels
> Using 16 octaves of pink noise
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver return
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned er
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned err
> ALSA lib conf.c:3985:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No existe el fichero o
> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
> Playback open error: -2,No existe el fichero o el directorio
>
> Y continua hasta que tecleo CTRL+C
>
> Al ejecutar aplay
>
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function
> snd_func_card_driver returned error: No existe el fichero o el
> directorio
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat
> returned error: No existe el fichero o el directorio
> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
> ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer
> returned error: No existe el fichero o el directorio
> ALSA lib conf.c:3985:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No existe el
> fichero o el directorio
> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
> aplay: main:564: audio open error: No existe el fichero o el directorio
>
> ¿Y qué te dice alsamixer, detecta la tarjeta?
>
> Al ejecutar alsamixer
> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
>
>
>> ejecuto lspci y me arroja el siguiente resultado:
>>
>> 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio
>> (rev a2)
>
> Prueba mejor con "lspci -v", te interesa ver los campos "kernel driver in
> use" y "kernel modules".
>
> ejecuto lspci -v
>
> 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a1)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ea
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e0
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>
> 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel, IRQ 11
>        I/O ports at ec00 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 5000 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 6000 [size=64]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel
>
> 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev a3) (prog-i
> f 10 [OHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f1
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        Memory at dffff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev a3) (prog-i
> f 20 [EHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f2
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 217
>        Memory at dfffec00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI bridge (rev a1) (prog-if 01 [Su
> btractive decode])
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 3662
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
>        Memory at dfff8000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) (prog-if 8a [Master
>  SecP PriP])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ec
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ef
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 50
>        Memory at dfffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        I/O ports at e480 [size=8]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) (prog-i
> f 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 233
>        I/O ports at e400 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at e080 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at e000 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at dc00 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d880 [size=16]
>        Memory at dfffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:08.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) (prog-i
> f 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        I/O ports at d800 [size=8]
> angelclasico@PRLX-09:~$ lspci -v
> 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a1)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ea
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e0
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>
> 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel, IRQ 11
>        I/O ports at ec00 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 5000 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 6000 [size=64]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel
>
> 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev
> a3) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f1
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        Memory at dffff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev
> a3) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f2
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 217
>        Memory at dfffec00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI bridge (rev a1)
> (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 3662
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
>        Memory at dfff8000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) (prog-if
> 8a [Master SecP PriP])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ec
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ef
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 50
>        Memory at dfffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        I/O ports at e480 [size=8]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev
> a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 233
>        I/O ports at e400 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at e080 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at e000 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at dc00 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d880 [size=16]
>        Memory at dfffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:08.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev
> a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        I/O ports at d800 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at d480 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d400 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at d080 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d000 [size=16]
>        Memory at dfff7000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device
> 03d0 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03d0
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
>        Memory at de000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
>        Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
>        Memory at dd000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
>        Expansion ROM at dffc0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
>        Flags: fast devsel
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
>        Flags: fast devsel
>
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
>        Flags: fast devsel
>
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
>        Flags: fast devsel
>        Capabilities: <access denied>
>
> No entiendo nadita. Aunque tambien ejecute lo mismo pero con poderes
> de super vaca y el resultado fue el siguiente:
>
> 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a1)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ea
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Capabilities: [44] HyperTransport: Slave or Primary Interface
>        Capabilities: [dc] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e0
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>
> 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel, IRQ 11
>        I/O ports at ec00 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 5000 [size=64]
>        I/O ports at 6000 [size=64]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>
> 00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03eb
>        Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel
>
> 00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev
> a3) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f1
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        Memory at dffff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>
> 00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP61 USB Controller (rev
> a3) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f2
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 217
>        Memory at dfffec00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
>        Capabilities: [44] Debug port
>        Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
>
> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI bridge (rev a1)
> (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=32
>        Capabilities: [b8] Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f3
>        Capabilities: [8c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 3662
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
>        Memory at dfff8000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask+ 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable-
>        Capabilities: [6c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) (prog-if
> 8a [Master SecP PriP])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ec
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0
>        I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>
> 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03ef
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 50
>        Memory at dfffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        I/O ports at e480 [size=8]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask+ 64bit+ Queue=0/3 Enable+
>        Capabilities: [6c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev
> a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 233
>        I/O ports at e400 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at e080 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at e000 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at dc00 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d880 [size=16]
>        Memory at dfffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [b0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/2 Enable-
>        Capabilities: [cc] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:08.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev
> a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03f6
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 209
>        I/O ports at d800 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at d480 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d400 [size=8]
>        I/O ports at d080 [size=4]
>        I/O ports at d000 [size=16]
>        Memory at dfff7000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
>        Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [b0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/2 Enable-
>        Capabilities: [cc] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>
> 00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e8
>        Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/1 Enable+
>        Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>        Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0
>
> 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e9
>        Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/1 Enable+
>        Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>        Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0
>
> 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev
> a2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
>        Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0
>        Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03e9
>        Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/1 Enable+
>        Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping
>        Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+) IRQ 0
>
> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device
> 03d0 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
>        Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Unknown device 03d0
>        Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
>        Memory at de000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
>        Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
>        Memory at dd000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
>        Expansion ROM at dffc0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
>        Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 2
>        Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable-
>
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
>        Flags: fast devsel
>        Capabilities: [80] HyperTransport: Host or Secondary Interface
>
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
>        Flags: fast devsel
>
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
>        Flags: fast devsel
>
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8
> [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
>        Flags: fast devsel
>        Capabilities: [f0] #0f [0010]
>
>
>
> Espero me puedas ayudar. Gracias
>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>
>
>
> --
> "Al juntarme dia tras dia con los Listeros, mi capacidad intelectual
> crece en proporcion inversa a la ignorancia generada. Gracias
> Linuxeros"
>



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"Al juntarme dia tras dia con los Listeros, mi capacidad intelectual
crece en proporcion inversa a la ignorancia generada. Gracias
Linuxeros"


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