I just uploaded all the .debs I have created to kachina under ~lohner/deb I'm going to use those to install a completely debian system at home this weekend, and if that works, I should be able to rebuild the debs into non-hybrid ones. Some things I'll need to hand build I think, but it shouldn't be too bad. If I can get the debian system to be in a state where I can boot into it I can create clean debs... then we're up to the booting issues I think. Nils.