Re: Stalled TexLive upgrades

[Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at>]

Hi Gordon,

first of all, please contact the Debian TeX Maint mailing list,
as it is also mentioned as maintainer of the TeX Live packages.

I also add Anton as the maintainer of scalable cyrfonts

On Do, 12 Apr 2012, Gordon Haverland wrote:
> I've had a big list of stalled upgrades for quite a while (6 
> weeks?).  This happens in big projects, so it hasn't worried me.  
> A few days ago, I decided to try and push TexLive.  After finally 
> relenting and typing in most of the texlive-* packages to an apt-
> get, it came back and said the problems are pdfjam and scalable-
> cyrfonts-tex.  Looking around the packaging, I can see that having 
> the pdfjam package removed isn't a problem as texlive-* provides 
> it.  Which leaves scalable-cyrfonts-tex.

So why don't you remove scalable-cyrfonts-tex?
It is only a suggests of texlive-lang-cyrillic, so far from necessary.

> The maintainer wants to abandon it.  And hence, unless someone 
> takes it up, it will continue to block upgrades to texlive for the 
> forseeable future.

First: it does not block
Second: there is activity, see below.

Anton: Do make it clear: What are your plans regarding this package?
	I see that t1-cyrillic and t1-teams actually are required
	in some places, but t1-cyrillic-tex is not asked for
	besides a suggest of texlive-lang-cyrillic.
	I think there are two problems here: The one is the update
	to current standards, I have a NMU ready for that. But since
	the package actually breaks parts of TL I will add a conflict
	anyway, which makes it uninstallable.

So: to repeat from my last email, Anton:
> I have no way of knowing how widely used the TeX fpl and fnc are, but I
> expect they have been used in *some* documents.  Therefore I would feel
> bad about renaming them.  Since they have been in TL for some years, I
> feel they should have priority on the names ...

I agree that since the other fpl/fnc fonts are in TL since long time,
we will not change there names.

So we simply leave this bug open, and I will probably add a conflict
against scalable-cyrfonts-tex as it breaks behaviour of the tex system.
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I see two options to solve that:
- drop scalable-cyrfonts-tex completely
- rename the font short names to something that does not conflict 
  with already used fonts/fontnames.

In anycase, I will remove the suggest in the next upload of texlive-lang
and add a conflict with texlive-fonts-extra, as it breaks it.

> Is this a known problem?  I've looked, and I don't see evidence 

Of course.

> for it in the Debian mailing lists.  Should people just remove the 

Did you check debian-tex-maint mailing list?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-tex-maint/2012/03/msg00326.html
and the following thread?

Best wishes

Norbert
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