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Re: Future versions of teTeX, and TeXlive as a replacement



On Tue May 30 2006 13:29, Ralf Stubner wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:54 -0600, Bruce Sass wrote:
> > On Tue May 30 2006 07:46, Ralf Stubner wrote:
> > <...>
> > > However, this requires input from users. To use your example, I
> > > have never used algorithm(ic) and have only a faint idea of what it
> > > might be used for. 
> > 
> > LyX wants to have algorithm around...
> [...]
> > ...It would be nice to compose the new pkgs so that users of apps like
> > LyX can get everything they expect without installing "extras."
> 
> How do you define "extras"?

Anything not part of the "base"  :-)

> Right now, algorithm is in tetex-extra. ;-) 

Ya, and just for the sake of argument, if algorithm is the only bit of TeX
in tetex-extra that LyX needed then algorithm should be moved to a "base"
package. imo

> Anyway, we can try to keep things like this in mind.

That is all I'm after.

> Can you provide us 
> with a list of packages that are used my LyX? That would be helpful.

Sure. The following is a quick'n'dirty cut'n'paste (from
LyX::Help->LaTeX Configuration) of stuff LyX expects is available from
CTAN (dvipost aside). Q'n'D in that it was made without regard to if they
are in Debian or which .deb they currently reside in.

Fonts:
fonts/ec
macros/latex/required/psnfss/

Standard LaTeX document classes:
article
report
book
letter
slides
macros/latex/required/amslatex/classes/

Additional document classes:
macros/latex/contrib/aguplus
macros/latex/contrib/dinbrief/
usergrps/dante/dtk/
macros/latex/contrib/elsevier/
macros/latex/contrib/extsizes/
macros/latex/contrib/foiltex/
macros/latex/contrib/g-brief/
macros/latex/contrib/koma-script/
macros/latex/contrib/memoir/
macros/latex/contrib/mwcls/
macros/latex/contrib/paper/
macros/latex/contrib/revtex/
macros/latex/contrib/siam/siamltex.tar
macros/latex/contrib/springer/svjour/global
macros/latex/contrib/springer/svjour/jog
macros/latex/contrib/springer/svjour/prothe
plain/contrib/tugboat.tar

Required packages:
macros/latex/required/tools/
macros/latex/required/babel/
macros/latex/required/graphics/

Paper layout packages:
macros/latex/contrib/geometry/

Other packages:
macros/latex/contrib/algorithms/
macros/latex/contrib/bibtopic/
http://freshmeat.net/projects/dvipost/
macros/latex/contrib/fancybox/
macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/
macros/latex/contrib/floatflt/
macros/latex/contrib/jurabib/
macros/latex/contrib/natbib/
macros/latex/contrib/prettyref
macros/latex/contrib/preview
macros/latex/contrib/rotating
macros/latex/contrib/subfigure
macros/latex/contrib/setspace/
macros/latex/contrib/misc/url.sty

> You 
> say "apps like LyX". What other applications do you have mind? 

Hevea and Kile are the ones I had in mind, but are probably bad examples.
The output of "grep-available -sPackage,Depends -FDepends tetex" has some
others: muttprint, plywood, ocamlweb, 

Would it be worthwhile to look at all .debs which depend on tetex-extra to
see if a rearrangement would let some of them drop that dependency?  If so,
when would be a good time to do such an audit; now, after Etch's release,
anytime something more important than this requires everyone to rebuild
their TeX related packages, ...?

Then again, is this just silly because texlive is already auditing the
situation, and everything will naturally fall into best place when dependent
packages sort out the...
tetex-extra | texlive-latex-extra
tetex-extra | texlive-latex-recommended
tetex-extra | texlive-fonts-recommended
...translations and tetex is (I'm assuming) dropped?


- Bruce



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