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Re: Advice regarding testing



Justin Pryzby wrote:

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:54:50PM +0100, Hans wrote:
Clive Menzies wrote:

Good advice, thank you. I've been using Debian for seven years now, mostly stable and since a year testing. My needs are not great: I can do with stable for most packages, just the few I want fairly new (not bleedig edge, otherwise I would install from source).

I've been happy with testing, and I understand the issues with it right now. I really want to avoid the semi-broken state it is in now once it happens again. I will check apt-listbugs, but my fear is that once I go up to unstable I can't go back if that gets broken (which it will, one day). You say that you use apt-listbugs to avoid a broken system or installing packages with criticl bugs. What is your method of pinning them down? Using "=" in dselect? (Sorry, I am stubborn: I learned to use dselect when I started with Debian and I'm too lazy to learn something new. dselect just works for me, so why change? :-)

On (11/01/06 22:52), Hans wrote:
For some time now many KDE-related packages are missing from testing (eg. K3B, Rosegarden4, etc.). I really want to upgrade my testing-system, so what is the best solution?

1) pin down packages in dselect, which are going to be deleted, with =, then upgrade 2) use apt-pin and upgrade from testing/unstable (http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html)

Read about apt pinning in apt_preferences(5) (really).  You can often
downgrade to testing, except that there are lots of library
transitions happening recently.  It might make sense to run testing,
but not update every package during such transitions.

But as Clive said, mixed version systems are harder to administer. For one, I tested it on an old machine and couldn't find out which version of a package was installed: testing or unstable. I also couldn't see clearly what an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade did: where the packages from testing updated with with testing and the ones from unstable with unstable, or did everything get updated from either testing or unstable? I know this is me being inexperienced, and I experiment a lot, but I feel I make it myself overly complicated. My grail is a smart but simple solution. --Hans



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