Hello Didier,
Thank you for your reply and your answers. I'm sorry but this case is not solved and it's not correct in the installer.
At the moment the installer let me choose between: Swiss German layout and Swiss French layout if Debian want to do it this way we need 2 more languages:
One solution would be:
- Swiss Italian -> QWERTZ CH Layout use default "é" and "à" <- I'm not sure if this is correct
- Swiss Romansh -> QWERTZ CH Layout use default "é" and "à" <- I'm not sure if this is correct
- Swiss German -> QWERTZ CH Layout use default "ö" and "ä" instead of "é" "à"
- Swiss French -> QWERTZ CH Layout use default "é" and "à"
Concerning the hardware here in Switzerland everybody can proof that we only have one hardware for example at Logitech or HP.
HP Swiss Keyboards are always ending with "BG1".
https://partsurfer.hp.com/Search.aspx?searchText=111F5EA
https://www.logitech.com/de-ch/product/illuminated-keyboard-k740?crid=27#specification-tabular
So this means at the moment Debian doesn't care about the Italian and Romansh people.
Second solution:
- "Swiss" and then Subgroup where you can choose between: Italian, German, French, Romansh for the language
And then the software layout hast to change it to default "ä" or "ö" in Swiss-German or in Swiss-French to "é" and "à".
Third solution:
- Add Italian and Romansh to the Swiss-French option and let it be like it is. Only possible if they are the same as Swiss-French.
Yes they are rare but I have sold AZERTY keyboards to Swiss people and not only one piece.
Best Regards from Lucerne
Marc
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org>
Gesendet: Freitag 26 Februar 2021 13:45
An: debian-boot@lists.debian.org
CC: hispeedhsx <hispeed@hs-x.ch>; debian-switzerland@lists.debian.org; 983491-done@lists.debian.org
Betreff: Re: Keyboard Layout configuration wizard - Swiss localization
Hello Mark,
Le mercredi, 24 février 2021, 21.31:43 h CET hispeedhsx a écrit :
> I'm new to Debian and I switch from centos but I have seen this problem for
> now several years and in several distributions even I think freebsd has it
> wrong (in my opinion).
>
> So I'm from Switzerland and I use a "Swiss Keyboard". We have people who are
> talk and write in french and italian. There are also several people writing
> rumantsch which is a little bit special.
Swiss DD here; cc'ing debian-switzerland@ for further comments if needed
> When I see the keyboards layouts in the installer from
> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst I see there that Debian has a "Schweizerisches
> Französisch / Swiss French" and a "Schweizerdeutsch / Swiss German"
> keyboard layout.
>
> There is one problem with this: In Switzerland we only have 1 hardware
> keyboard layout. Italian, German and French speaking people use this
> layout.
Although Switzerland indeed has only one hardware keyboard layout (the
keyboard markings can be identical), it has (at least) two software
interpretations, around the right part of the keyboard.
Specifically, the en_US "; / :" key will be:
- "é / ö" in the Swiss French variant
- "ö / é" in the Swiss German variant
There at least two other keys with such fr <> de swaps.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
QWERTZ#Switzerland_(German,_French,_Italian,_Romansh),_Liechtenstein,_Luxembourg
> In short there is only one keyboard and this has to be called: Swiss =
> Schweiz
No.
> If a Swiss person is only writing in french and they don't write often
> german so they will use the AZERTY keyboard which is the same as the French
> people are using for example.
That's really not true. At the very least, it's not _universally_ true for
french-speaking Swiss people.
As one example, I have learned (in the nineties) and still type on Swiss-
french QWERTZ keyboards, with the é under my right pinky, and so do all the
people I know from Suisse romande (besides the obvious IT people who might
have switched to BÉPO or en_US QWERTY). I really don't know of anyone raised
in Suisse romande typing on AZERTY.
> I will thank you for your responses and inputs. In my opinion this is a bug
> and should be fixed even it just for the small Switzerland.
It should not be fixed, as it's not a bug. Much to the contrary, it is OK as-
is; dropping the french variant of the Swiss QWERTZ keyboard would clearly
alienate the french-speaking swiss (and the italian-speaking swiss too
apparently), and deprive them from using their (valid) keyboard layout.
Hereby closing the bug report.
Best regards from Vevey, in Suisse romande.
OdyX