Re: XVR500 and SysVInit
On 12/22/2016 12:09 PM, transmail wrote:
>> If the people who invested all the time and effort to set up websites like
>> 'without-systemd.org' actually took that energy to pick up the sysvinit
>> maintainership and start fixing the almost 400 issues the packages
>> has [2], these people would actually have a case and people like
>> you wouldn't enter a possible minefield.
>
> without-systemd.org is not created to maintain SysVInit, but to inform
> people how they can avoid systemd. For example they enlisted dozens of
> alternative init systems which are still maintained, so people like me
> will know about what alternatives will we have when we have to abandon SysVInit.
Most of the other init systems aren't actually maintained either. Upstart
was dropped by Canonical and OpenRC and runit are merely moving along. It's
just too much of a big effort trying to keep up when the rest of the Linux
plumberland is moving so quickly.
>> But with the current situation, you have to be quite courageous to
>> replace core infrastructure on your machines with unmaintained
>> software. This is never a good idea, independent whether you like
>> systemd or not.
>
> My secondary desktop is my old Amiga 500+ from 1992 with several hardware modifications,
> Amiga OS 3.1 & 1.3 and dozens of 3rd party patches. I also have a G4
> with OSX Tiger and a Mac Mini with OSX Snow Leopard. And other Apple, Atari, Commodore
> and Sun machines. Not mentioning my 8 and 16-bit consoles with homemade
> modifications. I appreciate your warnings, but i am not afraid of obsolete technology
> and unmaintained software. Or to alternate them.
I was not talking about museum objects, I was talking about production
machines. I have tons of these machines as well, heck, my whole basement
is full of obscure computers. But I use none of these to run a server which
is hooked up to the internet - unless they are running maintained software.
> But i don't want to argue over systemd. I'm asking these here, because if
> i need a Linux for Sparc64 workstations (like my Sun Blade 100), then i have no other
> choice than Debian. (http://bgafc.t-hosting.hu/oses4sparc64.php?ft2=2&;)
> Or maybe Gentoo, but i don't want to use Gentoo.
Gentoo is still stuck with gcc-5 because they lack the manpower to do [1]
the transition to gcc-6 while Debian has already gcc-7 in its
repositories [2].
This is a perfect example of what happens when you are spending too much
time on pointless efforts like alternative init systems or udev
alternatives.
Adrian
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582084
> [2] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gcc-7&suite=experimental
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