not exactly sure what is up, but 2.4.10-pre4 doesn't seem to want to boot on my ultra1. 2.4.9 was fine, but 2.4.10-pre4 locks the machine just after silo starts to load it. iirc, i am not the only person to have this happen on an ultra1. has anyone else had problems with current vger? john -- john wood systems administrator, gmo inc