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Re: Rails on Debian?



On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 18:04 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: 
> What is the best way to deploy Rails on Debian?
> 
> I see that there has been some big advances in Ruby and Rails on
> Wheezy.  That's excellent news!  I know that the upstream ruby gem
> packaging architecture makes packaging for distributions quite
> difficult.  Let me applaud the recent efforts to work through and
> around those problems!  It is much appreciated.  I can see that it is
> already much better than it was before.
> 
> But I have some questions.  I have asked the biggest umbrella question
> above and of course I know the phrasing is poor but it is phrased in
> the way that most people would ask it.  I know "best" is open for
> debate.  But that is the question.

rails3 on wheezy now also pulls in ruby1.8 through a stupid broken
dependency in ruby-hoe, which pulls in "rubygems" (patch available bug
#685330 -- how long should i wait before pushing to git and/or uploading
to mentors?) 
> 
> On Wheezy's (and Sid's) current image today:
> 
>   # apt-get install rails3
>   ...
>   Recommended packages:
>     ruby-coffee-rails ruby-uglifier
> 
> But:
> 
>   # apt-cache policy ruby-coffee-rails ruby-uglifier
>   ruby-coffee-rails:
>     Installed: (none)
>     Candidate: (none)
>     Version table:
>   ruby-uglifier:
>     Installed: (none)
>     Candidate: (none)
>     Version table:
> 
> And of course then:
> 
>   $ rails new foo
>   ...
>   run  bundle install --local
>   Could not find gem 'coffee-rails (~> 3.2.1) ruby' in the gems available on this machine.
> 
> And after coffee-rails it would be uglifier right behind it if
> coffee-rails were installed.  Of course that is simply the new project
> creation.  If coffee-rails isn't used I can comment those out of the
> bundler Gemfile.  But it still scary right at the start!  And I also
> know that this is different from deploying a developed site.  There I
> could "vendor everything" and avoid this too.   (I think.)
> 
> Also it looks like neither node.js nor therubyracer are available to
> satisfy the the runtime requirements.
> 
> Advice?  What is the Best Practice for Rails on Debian?
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob
> 
> P.S. Here are details that I wanted to include but knew it would make
> the mail too tediously long.  But here is background on my task.
> 
> Let me say that I am fairly well versed in Rails 2.x but am not up to
> speed on 3.x yet.  That is one of my tasks.  I need to understand and
> migrate some Rails 2.x sites over to Rails 3.x.  In this way I am
> learning as I go and some of the issues I am experiencing are due to
> my inexperience and lack of knowledge with Rails 3.x.  I would
> actually like to be able to deal with both version 2.x and 3.x
> appropriately since I know that some sites will take some effort to
> update.  But at this point let's start with Rails 3.x.
> 
> I am starting a Rails project where I will be working with some other
> developers.  I am in the host driver seat and I will be using Debian
> Stable for the site.  The other developers will be doing most of the
> Rails development.  Meaning that they won't be understanding about the
> problems of deployment on a production system.  They will be working
> on their own desktop which will be other various random operating
> systems.  They will simply want features that exist in the world and
> it will be my task to provide those features on a good platform such
> as Debian Stable, targeting Wheezy.
> 
> I have used rvm for deployments before.  I found that using rvm means
> chasing an unstable version tree that is always in motion.  It also
> means sometimes needing to understand rvm itself and patching shell
> script problems when it is broken such as due to /bin/dash
> differences.  If possible and practical I would much prefer using
> system packages from the Stable release tree.  I would like to avoid
> rvm on a production system.  I can set things up with rvm but I really
> don't want to due to my previous experience with it.
> 
> Wheezy will soon be Stable and therefore I am starting there now.  I
> would like to be able to develop and deploy Rails (both 2.x and 3.x)
> on Wheezy.


-- 
-Shawn Landden


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