Bug#723641: pu: package xen/4.1.4-5
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 04:58:43PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Mon, September 30, 2013 18:52, Bastian Blank wrote:
> > I don't think this will work. The current security process ignores
> > any communitation that is otherwise part of the NMU process. As long as
> > the security team does not have some policy to cummunicate first and do
> > later, especially if the maintainer is already in the loop or, worse,
> > did it herself, I see not why this should work now.
> I think you're confusing miscommunication that happened, with a policy of
> not communicating.
Why are there no NMU diffs in the BTS as mandated by the developers
reference? Why do people prefer doing stuff themself instead of
communicating?
> Something went wrong in the past, I don't know why, but there's definitely
> no process to ignore communication that should happen when working with
> other people's uploads.
It happened with different people, I remember three. This is called a
pattern. Patterns leads to informal policies.
> > My main problem are the missing mails on uploads. If the ftp-masters
> > refuses to accept a patch---did they?---you have to do it by human
> > relay.
> We definitely do this by human relay. We missed one, there.
The person explicitely handling this case missed it also.
> All in all, I recognise that mistakes have been made but I do not think
> that they are 'a policy' by the team. I'm confident that it's possible to
> work together in a way that works for both parties. Why not just give it a
> fresh new chance?
Why do you ignore what I wrote in my original mail? This where the
three points:
| - Fix dak to send mails, at least to the uploader and signer.
Should be a small patch to dak. Did noone try it or was it rejected?
If it was rejected, why was CTTE not involved? It is even listed as a
bug somewhere.
| - Communicate with the people doing the work, especially if you don't
| like what they are doing.
Okay, this was discussed.
| - Push NMU-diffs to the BTS.
This is a long-standing point. And I never got an answer why this is
not done.
As the whole problem is history repeating itself for me, I think you
have to actually show that this is not the normal way things would go.
Bastian
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