On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 11:48:17PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > (pruning CC list; AFAIK all will still get the message this way) > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 04:56, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > So we're going to have another release with a very elaborate upgrade > > > procedure in the release notes (which a lot of users, especially > > > desktop users, don't read anyway)? > > 1) upgrade your kernel > > 2) dist-upgrade > > That doesn't seem terribly elaborate to me? And if people choose not > > to read, well, they get a failure on dist-upgrade and get to figure it > > out for themselves, I guess. > Yeah, and that IMHO is exactly the problem. > Debian used to be known for relatively trouble free upgrades. For the > Woody-Sarge upgrade the upgrade problems (the kernel issues at least) > were mostly limited to non-mainstream architectures, but now we're likely > to hit 80% of Sarge desktop users. No, failing to read the release notes for sarge and doing a blind dist-upgrade on a desktop system was also likely to rip out large swaths of packages in the process. I understand that we all want dist-upgrade to Just Work, but I don't see how complaining that the release notes contain important information that users ignore at their peril is different from complaining that the list of packages being removed on apt-get dist-upgrade contains important information that users ignore at their peril. If you aren't satisfied with the current solution, the answer is to figure out a better one rather than lamenting that no one else has. (I do have a vague idea of what this would entail, and I'm not willing to spend a month of my time on trying to make it work.) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. vorlon@debian.org http://www.debian.org/
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