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Bug#500540: marked as done (kdebase: automounting vfat (partialy) case sensitive due to utf8 is plain wrong and dangerous)

Your message dated Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:17:21 +0000
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and subject line Bug#500540: fixed in kdebase 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
has caused the Debian Bug report #500540,
regarding kdebase: automounting vfat (partialy) case sensitive due to utf8 is plain wrong and dangerous
to be marked as done.

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Package: kdebase
Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5
Severity: grave
Justification: causes non-serious data loss

I just switched from etch to lenny and now gnupod warns me about the case
sensitive filesystem on my iPod:

> $ gnupod_check.pl
> gnupod_check.pl Version 0.99.8 (C) Adrian Ulrich
> /usr/local/bin/gnupod_check.pl: Warning: /media/IPOD is mounted case sensitive, that's bad:
>                                 FAT32-iPods should be mounted case
>                                 in-sensitive!
>                                 (try 'mount ... -o check=relaxed')
> Pass 1: Checking Files in the GNUtunesDB.xml...
> Pass 2: Checking Files on the iPod...
> ..finished

The filesystem gets automounted by KDE's mediamanager and
never caused a problem when I used Etch.

The kernel also complains:

[490945.600269] usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 23
[490945.733907] usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
[490945.761374] scsi18 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[490945.762123] usb 4-3: New USB device found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=1262
[490945.762138] usb 4-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[490945.762147] usb 4-3: Product: iPod
[490945.762153] usb 4-3: Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
[490945.762159] usb 4-3: SerialNumber: 000A27001B256A33
[490945.762731] usb-storage: device found at 23
[490945.762742] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[490950.760450] usb-storage: device scan complete
[490950.776262] scsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Apple    iPod 1.62 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[490950.824634] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] 1941441 4096-byte hardware sectors (7952 MB)
[490950.825383] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[490950.825397] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 68 00 00 08
[490950.825404] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
[490950.827876] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] 1941441 4096-byte hardware sectors (7952 MB)
[490950.828416] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[490950.828429] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 68 00 00 08
[490950.828436] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
[490950.828443]  sda: sda1
[490950.830215] sd 18:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
[490951.932053] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!

And it is damn right to complain! So don't give me any of the "should be
ignored" comments that you might have googled here:

Now lets see the effects of case sensitive vfat, shall we?:

# mount | grep vfat
/dev/sda1 on /media/IPOD type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower)
# cd /media/IPOD
/media/IPOD# touch TEST TESt TEsT
touch: cannot touch `TESt': File exists
touch: cannot touch `TEsT': File exists
/media/IPOD# ls -lsa TE*
0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 hlangos root 0 2008-09-28 15:33 TEsTDIRECTORY
0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 hlangos root 0 2008-09-28 15:33 TEStDIRECTORY
0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 hlangos root 0 2008-09-28 15:33 TESTDIRECTORY
/media/IPOD# ls -lsa te*
ls: cannot access test: No such file or directory
/media/IPOD# ls -lsa
ls: cannot access test: No such file or directory
total 32
4 drwxr-xr-x  8 hlangos root 4096 2008-09-28 15:33 .
4 drwxr-xr-x  4 root    root 4096 2008-09-28 15:31 ..
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2000-02-09 07:06 Calendars
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2008-04-09 15:23 Contacts
4 drwxr-xr-x 11 hlangos root 4096 2008-02-13 00:01 iPod_Control
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2000-02-09 07:06 .metadata_never_index
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2008-04-09 15:25 Notes
4 drwxr-xr-x  3 hlangos root 4096 2008-01-15 23:08 Photos
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2000-02-09 07:06 Recordings
? -?????????  ? ?       ?       ?                ? test
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2008-09-28 15:33 TEsTDIRECTORY
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2008-09-28 15:33 TEStDIRECTORY
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2008-09-28 15:33 TESTDIRECTORY

That is FUBAR !

1. "touch TEST TESt TEsT" should not complain about existing files.
2. "touch TESTDIRECTORY TEStDIRECTORY TEsTDIRECTORY" should not create more
   than one file.
3. And WTF happend to "test" anaway?
BTW: If you try to delete some of those testdirectory files you may run
into more of those nasty questionmarks.
I didn't dare to continue working on a filesystem in such a state but to
me this looks like a corrupted file system. Hence severity "grave".

Now lets try again with more sane vfat options:

# mount | grep vfat
/dev/sda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,shortname=lower,check=relaxed,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1)
# cd /mnt
/mnt# touch TEST TESt TEsT
/mnt# ls -lsa TE*
0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 hlangos root 0 2008-09-28 15:41 TESTDIRECTORY
/mnt# ls -lsa
total 32
4 drwxr-xr-x  8 hlangos root 4096 2008-09-28 15:41 .
4 drwxr-xr-x 23 root    root 4096 2008-09-26 22:07 ..
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2000-02-09 07:06 Calendars
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2008-04-09 15:23 Contacts
4 drwxr-xr-x 11 hlangos root 4096 2008-02-13 00:01 iPod_Control
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2000-02-09 07:06 .metadata_never_index
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2008-04-09 15:25 Notes
4 drwxr-xr-x  3 hlangos root 4096 2008-01-15 23:08 Photos
4 drwxr-xr-x  2 hlangos root 4096 2000-02-09 07:06 Recordings
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2008-09-28 15:41 test
0 -rwxr-xr-x  1 hlangos root    0 2008-09-28 15:41 TESTDIRECTORY

As you see it is not perfect as the "TEST" file gets only created as "test".
My guess is that "shortname=mixed" instead of "shortname=lower" should be
used but don't take my word for it.

As far as I have seen in archives and related bug reports the blame
for this problem gets shifted around from KDE to pmount to the kernel
itself and all the way back. Everybody happily points fingers at the others.

I don't want to join in. I just want control over the way KDE's mediamanager
mounts removable media. So here's the question:

Is there a way to override the DEFAULT options that KDE's media manager
uses to automount vfat on removable media or are they hardcoded ? (I know 
I can change some mount options for individual devices but those are not 
enough to save vfat from being messed up that way.)

I'd rather take the risk of having short names displayed wrongly (which
as far as I know is the only "risk" when not using the utf8 option)
than having vfat partitions FUBARed.

And who came up with the idea to mount vfat with utf8 anyway? It was never
designed to take short utf8 names. Those are strictly 8.3 and if you try to
stick utf8 characters in there, you get all kinds of length checking problems.
Long names on vfat are stored in unicode anyway. So whats the big gain here?
For the sake of squeezing utf8 into places where it never was ment to be,
we get messed up filesystems?

BTW: Ubuntu seems to have the same problem:

I'd like to write a sarcastic reply to Simon Law's comment
> We must set the iocharset to utf8, or things will break horribly.
but in this case reality is satire enough.

(Using Debian since buzz.)

PS: I probably should have added some <rant> tags but I am frustrated 
because I lost the few hours that I had for programming on this 
weekend to this utf8 on vfat mess.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Versions of packages kdebase depends on:
ii  hal        0.5.11-3                      Hardware Abstraction Layer
ii  kappfinder 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              non-KDE application finder for KDE
ii  kate       4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              advanced text editor for KDE
ii  kcontrol   4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              control center for KDE
ii  kdebase-bi 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              core binaries for the KDE base mod
ii  kdebase-da 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              shared data files for the KDE base
ii  kdebase-ki 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              core I/O slaves for KDE
ii  kdepasswd  4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              password changer for KDE
ii  kdeprint   4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              print system for KDE
ii  kdesktop   4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              miscellaneous binaries and files f
ii  kfind      4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              file-find utility for KDE
ii  khelpcente 4:4.0.0.really.3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 help center for KDE
ii  kicker     4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              desktop panel for KDE
ii  klipper    4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              clipboard utility for KDE
ii  kmenuedit  4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              menu editor for KDE
ii  konqueror  4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              KDE's advanced file manager, web b
ii  konqueror- 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              Netscape plugin support for Konque
ii  konsole    4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              X terminal emulator for KDE
ii  kpager     4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              desktop pager for KDE
ii  kpersonali 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              installation personalizer for KDE
ii  ksmserver  4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              session manager for KDE
ii  ksplash    4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              the KDE splash screen
ii  ksysguard  4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              system guard for KDE
ii  ktip       4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              useful tips for KDE
ii  kwin       4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              the KDE window manager
ii  libkonq4   4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5              core libraries for Konqueror
ii  pmount     0.9.17-2                      mount removable devices as normal 

Versions of packages kdebase recommends:
ii  kdm                     4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 X display manager for KDE

Versions of packages kdebase suggests:
pn  kdebase-doc-html              <none>     (no description available)

-- no debconf information

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--- Begin Message ---
Source: kdebase
Source-Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
kdebase, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kappfinder_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kate_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kcontrol_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin-kde3_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-bin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-data_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_all.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-dbg_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-dev_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-doc-html_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_all.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-doc_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_all.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-kio-plugins_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6.diff.gz
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6.dsc
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_all.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdeeject_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_all.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdepasswd_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdeprint_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdesktop_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kdm_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kfind_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/khelpcenter_4.0.0.really.3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kicker_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/klipper_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kmenuedit_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/konqueror-nsplugins_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/konqueror_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/konsole_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kpager_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kpersonalizer_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/ksmserver_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/ksplash_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/ksysguard_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/ksysguardd_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/ktip_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/libkonq4-dev_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb
  to pool/main/k/kdebase/libkonq4_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 500540@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
Sune Vuorela <debian@pusling.com> (supplier of updated kdebase package)

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Hash: SHA1

Format: 1.8
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:06:54 +0100
Source: kdebase
Binary: kdebase kappfinder kate kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3 kdebase-data kdebase-dev kdebase-doc kdebase-doc-html kdebase-kio-plugins kdeeject kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind khelpcenter kicker klipper kmenuedit konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kpager kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd ktip kwin libkonq4 libkonq4-dev kdebase-dbg
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Sune Vuorela <debian@pusling.com>
 kappfinder - non-KDE application finder for KDE
 kate       - advanced text editor for KDE
 kcontrol   - control center for KDE
 kdebase    - base components from the official KDE release
 kdebase-bin - core binaries for the KDE base module
 kdebase-bin-kde3 - core binaries for the KDE base module
 kdebase-data - shared data files for the KDE base module
 kdebase-dbg - debugging symbols for kdebase
 kdebase-dev - development files for the KDE base module
 kdebase-doc - developer documentation for the KDE base module
 kdebase-doc-html - KDE base documentation in HTML format
 kdebase-kio-plugins - core I/O slaves for KDE
 kdeeject   - script used by KDE to eject removable media
 kdepasswd  - password changer for KDE
 kdeprint   - print system for KDE
 kdesktop   - miscellaneous binaries and files for the KDE desktop
 kdm        - X display manager for KDE
 kfind      - file-find utility for KDE
 khelpcenter - help center for KDE
 kicker     - desktop panel for KDE
 klipper    - clipboard utility for KDE
 kmenuedit  - menu editor for KDE
 konqueror  - KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer
 konqueror-nsplugins - Netscape plugin support for Konqueror
 konsole    - X terminal emulator for KDE
 kpager     - desktop pager for KDE
 kpersonalizer - installation personalizer for KDE
 ksmserver  - session manager for KDE
 ksplash    - the KDE splash screen
 ksysguard  - system guard for KDE
 ksysguardd - system guard daemon for KDE
 ktip       - useful tips for KDE
 kwin       - the KDE window manager
 libkonq4   - core libraries for Konqueror
 libkonq4-dev - development files for Konqueror's core libraries
Closes: 500540 505316
 kdebase (4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6) unstable; urgency=high
   * Force iocharset to iso-8859-1 when mouting fat devices. (Closes: #500540)
   * Don't make it possible to enable bootloader handling in the kdm kcm.
     (Closes: #505316)
   * Add a series file to source for patch handling with quilt. Patch system
     not switched though.
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