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- To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
- Subject: konqueror: Flawed rendering of Valid XHTML-1.0 Transtitional by Konqueror-3.3.1
- From: Arnt Karlsen <arnt@c2i.net>
- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:54:18 +0100
- Message-id: <E1Cr5zO-00043J-00@spohr.debian.org>
Package: konqueror
Version: 4:3.3.1-4
Severity: minor
...a wee chew out fixed the pages so they rendered correctly:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:15:36 +0100, Arnt wrote in message
<20050117021536.3909c60d.arnt@c2i.net>:
> Hi,
>
> ..I run Konqueror-3.3.1 @ 1600x1200x24bpp, and your
> new wiki pages renders too wide ie: more than 1700 pixels:
> http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Customisations and
> http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto
>
> ..how much beyond 1600, depends on font size in the left hand menu,
> AFAICT. Moreover, scrolling right only goes as far as hiding the menu
> on the left, so I suspect a "wee" sitewide css error:
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator/?uri=http%3A//www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto
>
> ..your xhtml is ok and valid xhtml-1.0:
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knoppix.net%2Fwiki%2FKnoppix_Remastering_Howto
>
> ..and next time you have a problem, _Say_so!_, don't wait for
> lawsuits on "sabotaging Linux" for just taking your /docs tree
> "Down for maintenance" for 3 months.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:40:34 +0100, Arnt wrote in message
<20050119004034.087d0271.arnt@c2i.net>:
> From: Arnt Karlsen <arnt@c2i.net>
> To: Eaden McKee <eaden.mckee@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ..new wiki pages renders too wide ie: more than 1700
> pixels
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:40:34 +0100
> Organization: ing. Arnt Karlsen
> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu)
> User-Agent: 007 ;-)
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:38:55 +1300, Eaden wrote in message
> <9e771ea905011722384741da4@mail.gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > > > > ..I run Konqueror-3.3.1 @ 1600x1200x24bpp, and your
> > > > > new wiki pages renders too wide ie: more than 1700 pixels:
> > > > > http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Customisations and
> > > > > http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto
...these 2 pages rendered correctly on _ALL!_ other browsers that I tried.
> > > ..it is, just fix it, use w3 tools to get standards compliant and
> > > make both the html and css validators happy, _then_ you can try
> > > tell me "it's Konqueror."
> >
> > The XHTML validates.
>
> ..I seem to remember someone mentioning that fact. ;-)
>
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knoppix.net%2Fwiki%2FKnoppix_Remastering_Howto
>
> ..toss in this: ...
> <p>
> <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer";><img
> src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-xhtml10";
> alt="Valid XHTML 1.0!" height="31" width="88" /></a>
> </p>
>
> > There was some valid CSS3 in there that the validator doesn't like.
>
> ..you _do_ know that the w3.org is _the_ standard setting
> organisation for (x)html and its css etc accessories? Keep in mind, Microsoft is
> a w3.org member, "to embrace and extend the standards." ;-)
>
> > I have removed the CSS3 and now the CSS validates.
>
> ...and this:
> <p>
> <a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/";>
> <img style="border:0;width:88px;height:31px"
> src="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss";
> alt="Valid CSS!" />
> </a>
> </p>
>
> > http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knoppix.net%2Fwiki%2FKnoppix_Remastering_Howto&usermedium=all
> >
> > If it's still broken then I guess I can say "it's konqueror", but
>
> ..chk out: http://w3.org/Style/
>
> ..with valid css (which version???) and with valid xhtml-1.0, you're
> entitled to be an asshole on anyone who can't render 5 yr old
> standards correctly: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/
>
> ..I'll file a bug on this. If you wanna "fix Konqueror" by moving to
> XHTML 1.0 Strict or to HTML 4.01 or somesuch, leave a copy of your
> current http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto etc
> somewhere where the KDE guys can be use it to debug Konqueror.
>
> > thats an asshole webmaster thing to say. I DO CARE that it works in
> > konqueror, Konqueror is default browser for Knoppix! But I am not
> > skilled enough at CSS to work out why the problem is happening.
>
...having made w3.org's CSS validator and me happy, Eaden has done his part.
What else do you guys need to reproduce this blunderous rendering?
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
APT prefers unstable
APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i586)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.9-1-386
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)
Versions of packages konqueror depends on:
ii kcontrol 4:3.3.1-4 KDE Control Center
ii kdebase-kio-plugins 4:3.3.1-4 KDE I/O Slaves
ii kdelibs4 4:3.3.2-1 KDE core libraries
ii kdesktop 4:3.3.1-4 KDE Desktop
ii kfind 4:3.3.1-4 KDE File Find Utility
ii libart-2.0-2 2.3.16-6 Library of functions for 2D graphi
ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii libfam0c102 2.7.0-6 client library to control the FAM
ii libgcc1 1:3.4.3-7 GCC support library
ii libice6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii libidn11 0.5.2-3 GNU libidn library, implementation
ii libjpeg62 6b-9 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG
ii libkonq4 4:3.3.1-4 Core libraries for KDE's file mana
ii libpcre3 4.5-1.1 Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expressi
ii libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-1 PNG library - runtime
ii libqt3c102-mt 3:3.3.3-8 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v
ii libsm6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 X Window System Session Management
ii libstdc++5 1:3.3.5-6 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii libx11-6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 X Window System protocol client li
ii libxext6 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 X Window System miscellaneous exte
ii libxrender1 0.8.3-7 X Rendering Extension client libra
ii xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configu
ii zlib1g 1:1.2.2-4 compression library - runtime
-- debconf information:
* konqueror/crypto:
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