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Bug#252082: closed by Pierre HABOUZIT <madcoder@debian.org> (Re: kmail: program "lockfile" doesn't exist when requesting FCNTL mail locking)



Le Sam 20 Mai 2006 23:18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
> On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 09:54:33PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Le Sam 20 Mai 2006 20:55, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
> > > "recommends" don't get installed by default.
> > >
> > > you therefore have a policy violation bug.
> > >
> > > at the very least you need to notify people of the requirement.
> > >
> > > l.
> >
> > not at all. the "recommended" tool to install packages is aptitude,
> > that installs recommends by default. It is assumed that people that
> > do not use aptitude (or a tool that installs recomends - dselect
> > does IIRC) know what they are doing and are aware enough to look at
> > the recommends.
>
>  i've been through this with you (debian people) already.
>
>  how am i, a long-term user of apt-get, along with tens of thousands
>  of other long-term users of apt-get, supposed to magically imbue
> debian policy into our heads?
>
>  if you don't use anything other than apt-get, and have not used
>  anything other than apt-get, there's nothing in "apt-get" that say
>  "don't use apt-get", how the hell is anyone supposed to know???


please stop. I use kmail for IMAP only, and don't have procmail on my 
machine. it just works, and do so for every one that uses POP or IMAP 
only. that's maybe 90% of what people (under unix or windows or ...) 
use. that makes perfectly sense.

"standard" users are supposed to use aptitude, deyti, dselect, ... and 
for them that just works. user that uses apt-get directly are 
experimented users, that are expected to know more about debian. if you 
want less surprises, use aptitude, or force the installation of 
recommends manually.

there is no policy-based reasons behind that, all is explained in the 
*USER DOCUMENTATION*, quote: « Note that aptitude is the recommended 
program by Debian to install a package and/or to upgrade your 
system. »[1] or in the install manual[2]

I don't like aptitude either, but recommended packages are not strict 
depends so that user that *KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING* can have 
a "lighter" system (with less packages) to support *just* what the 
functionnalities they need. that's well documented, not hidden in 
complex developper-only documentations.

 [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html
 [2] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch07s02.html.en#install-packages
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·O·  Pierre Habouzit
··O                                                madcoder@debian.org
OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

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