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Bug#265983: libarts1: Do not depend on the jack packages they bring in too much crap


Note 1: If this causes the bug to reopen, just reclose it.

Note 2: The stop line above is just there in a vane attempt to
   avoid affecting the bug status, but I forgot where I put the
   BTS refcard...

Note 3: Since sarge is now much closer than it was when the bug
   was filed, changing libarts (again) at this stage is probably
   worse than undoing a risky move during the early phase of the
   freeze.  So you may downgrade all the way to wishlist now.

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> tags 265983 + wontfix
> stop
> 1. It pulls in less than 1MB of installed packages that you might not
>    already have installed.
> 2. Many things in Debian haven't reached "1.0" yet. I guess jack is
>    relatively new vs the stone age... It has been in Debian since
>    Dec 23 2001 and has been around since ~ Apr 2001 previously being
>    called AES/LAAGA (aiui). 3.5 years isn't that new. Perhaps you don't
>    like ALSA either since it is relatively new (over 6 years old) and
>    just reached 1.0 in the past ~ 8mo. :)
> 3. I don't see a problem with #248665.
> BTW arts will most likely be going away when KDE 4 is released in a
> few years. It is more than a notification system it is closer to a
> combination of esd and gstreamer.

Just to clarify:

1. The complaint is not that Jack takes up a few MB on the disk. 
  it is more the fact that bringing in Jack adds to the overall
  system complexity, including the introduction of yet another
  "daemon" (actually suid) package that I did not ask for.
2. Of cause Jack is not new.  The dependency from ARTS to Jack
  is new, and thus the inclusion of Jack in a lot of systems
  that previously ran without it.  Historically Jack was
  installed almost exclusively by audiophiles, musicians etc.

3. #248655 is a long standing bug (originally not from me) that
  the libjack maintainer has (unilaterally) decided that any
  user who installs libjack (for any reason) can be presumed to
  consent to the installation of the jackd package, the use of
  certain kernel security facilities to "speed up" Jack if those
  security facilities happen to be present, etc.
    The bug log for #248655 shows that the libjack maintainer is
  extremely arrogant about the importance of his own package and
  seems unable to wrap his head around the possibility that the
  dependency system may cause libjack to be installed by people
  who never asked for it.  Given this kind of stubbornness I
  would recommend that libjack dependencies be avoided like the
  plague.  In one of the responses he sent to me on that bug he
  even insisted that having things like KDE/ARTS depending on
  Jack is a "misuse" of the high and mighty Jack.

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