Re: [RFC] Software Process Improvement in Free Software, Closing the Quality Cycle, Inventing Non-Developer-Demotivating QA/QM/SPI
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Hello Jeroen,
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
| On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 07:12:10AM +0100, Thomas Schorpp wrote:
|
|>as i see you try to maintain quality in debian efficently.
|>
|>ive been thinking for months now about inventing and adopting
|>the SPI-standards cmm(x), spice, iso12207, and iso 9001,
|>etc, in free sw's lifecycles
|>and would like to ask you about comments and discussion.
|
|
| I certainly appreciate your efforts, but what I've read until now has a
| little bit too high level of buzzwords for me to be able to map your
| idea's on Debian. Certainly a lot of improvements are possible in
| Debian, but I don't think that can or will happen in one big go,
Why do all of You think, that could be done in one-shot.
It takes years in industry since mid 90's.
| but
| rather gradually. I myself have some idea's about that, but didn't yet
| invest the time to share them and try to implement them.
|
| Everything within Debian is ultimately a human task, and my focus atm is
| to detect if and where there are tasks that have insufficient or
| inadequate manpower assigned. This very general sentence catches issues
| like inactive maintainers, busy maintainers, wrong people on the wrong
| tasks, or tasks that don't have any people assigned to it. I'm currently
| in process of a big sweep over all package maintainers, when I'm done,
| at least all inactive maintainers should be detected and a solution
| found. I've currently mailed 121 different maintainers already, and
| still some 60 to go. When I'm done, I'll summarize the results on this
| list (or a list with a broader audience).
Huh! What a mega-assessment, I'm very impressed...
|
| I'm also paying attention to tasks that are not package maintainance
| tasks, but they are more complex to handle as those tasks are of much
| more diversity, and also there is much less information available to
| assess how it is going, unlike package maintainance, where there is a
| plethora of tools and metrics available. Most tasks don't have a BTS
| entry, for example.
|
| If you want to contribute to improving Debian's QA, I think it's
| essential to learn about how things work in Debian now,
Yes, I'll get it on, thank You.
| so that you can
| do smaller and more targetted propositions on improvements.
Critical. could lead me (us) to over-specialisation to subprocesses. I
have to start assessments on the process' highest abstraction or I could
get lost.
| When I've a
| bit of time, I'll read through all your texts more thoroughly, to see
| whether some idea's can be applied to Debian, I unfortunately didn't
| find the time for that yet.
|
| --Jeroen
|
Thank You, but I've provided not much so far, as You could see ;)
Y
Tom
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