From: Charles Briscoe-Smith <email@example.com> > IMHO, it's as good as SUN's logo Which I'm not sure you should hold up as an exemplar. :-) Red Hat made a good choice (except that they depend on color). I think they've made deals with a publisher that encumbers their own use of their logo, though. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to firstname.lastname@example.org . Trouble? e-mail to email@example.com .