On Friday, October 3, 2025 1:00:17 PM Mountain Standard Time Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Fri, 2025-10-03 at 10:20 -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote: > > On Friday, October 3, 2025 9:27:03 AM Mountain Standard Time Gunnar > > Wolf > > > > wrote: > > > Soren Stoutner dijo [Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 05:02:13PM -0700]: > > > > Like I said, I know nothing about XLibre or its history. But I > > > > think it is > > > > important to state here that I am categorically opposed to any > > > > software > > > > being > > > > > > excluded from Debian because of the politics of the developers > > > > (as long as > > > > those politics are not included in the software itself). > > > > > > There are some things we don't want to drop in public channels. > > > > > > There is known history of the XLibre authors actively conducting a > > > hate campaign that resulted in a strong personal prejudice > > > (economically and socially) to a Debian Developer, and that > > > campaign carried on to try to further harm them. > > [...] > > > I sinncerely hope that Debian never goes down the very dangerous path > > of banning software in Debian because of what developers do outside > > of Debian. > > To be clear, the actions that Gunnar is describing here were *not* > "outside of Debian". In what way? I would sincerely like to know. So far, even though other people have pointed to some specific statements and actions on the part of at least one of the developers of XLibre, I have not seen any information showing that the XLibre developers have ever interacted with Debian. Mostly what I have been hearing from this conversation is that some people feel that the XLibre developers have done some terrible things, but they don’t want to talk about the specifics. That is fine. Nobody should feel obligated to talk about the specifics if they don’t want to. What is not fine is to allege that code written by a developer should be banned form Debian while *at the same time* not being willing to point to specific reasons why that developer should be banned. Blacklisting a developer is a serious issue. It is incumbent on anyone who thinks that action is appropriate to point to specific reasons why, so that the rest of the community can adjudicate the appropriateness of the action. -- Soren Stoutner soren@debian.org
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