On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 02:33:39PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 02:25:19PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 at 13:08, Roberto C. Sánchez <[1]roberto@debian.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Since we as a project have left Twitter/X (as recently announced by our
> > Publicity Team) on the basis of "We do not want to be present in a place
> > where we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse
> > happens without consequences" [0] [1], I would like start a discussion
> > about how we as a project can promptly sever ties with Google.
> >
> > Full disclosure: I am currently employed by Google, and do not speak for
> > the company.
> > DFSG #6 discusses not discriminating against fields of endeavour.
> > I can see the project wishing to cut ties with a social media platform
> > that is unable to ensure a minimum level of civil discourse. I'm not
> > seeing how this is even remotely equivalent to disengaging from a
> > corporate sponsor because of their commercial practices?
> > regards
> > Andrew
> >
> The formula I am applying here is directly:
>
> "We do not want to be present in a place where we cannot ensure that
> users will be respected and where abuse happens without consequences."
>
> "We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [on Twitter/X] where
> we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse happens
> [causing certain people to feel unsafe] without consequences
> [moderation/banning]."
>
> It seems quite natural, then, that this follows:
>
> "We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [Google Cloud Platform
> and other Google services] where we cannot ensure that users will be
> respected and where abuse happens [directly assisting the US government
> to prepare and execute missions that result in unconscionable civilian
> casualties] without consequences [legal reprecussions]."
>
> If the former results in leaving a social media platform, then the
> latter should result in at least the same (leaving the platform and
> services) and, I would argue, also calls for terminating the sponsor
> relationship. To do otherwise would be to tacitly endorse things that
> are objectively far worse than things we have *already* publicly stated
> as a project we find reprehensible.
>
I'm just thinking what will be the next topic? "We should leave Internet
because happens terrible things there"(?). The last post in Debian's X
account says: "The Debian Publicity Team will no longer post on X/Twitter",
and the Debian account still is there. Anyway, if you personally want to
stay in X/Twitter and post, just do it :-).
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
> --
> Roberto C. Sánchez
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cheers,
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