On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 10:13 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:Most people running interactive VMs (e.g., on a desktop with a graphical console) aren't using Xen, they're using kvm or virtualbox or just about anything else.While the number is probably less, some people (including Debian contributors) are using Qubes (which is based on Xen) on desktops: https://www.qubes-os.org/
*I* use qubes, as well as xen on its own, which is why I'm fairly comfortable asserting that bullseye works just fine for typical use cases on both platforms. I haven't taken any particular measures to work around the bug under discussion--it's just never come up. In qubes you aren't generally working with a virtualized bare metal system (i.e., watching a bios boot screen come up on a virtual monitor after booting from an iso), you're interacting with a templated thin vm via qubes-specific I/O channels. The underlying tech may be xen, but the way it is used is different.
(Conversely, when I do want that "boot a virtual bare metal system from an ISO" experience I do so on a different computer, currently via KVM and previously via virtualbox or vmware.)