On 2021-07-26 01 h 50, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 07:59:26PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 06:19:37PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >>> Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> writes: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Debian and GitLab have been in discussion regarding an Open Source >>>> Partnership toward which we will jointly produce mutual promotions, >>>> shared stories, and announcements using both organizations press and/or >>>> publicity channels. >> ... >>>> >>> >>> Out of the blue, without any more context and content, >> >> ??? >> >> "Debian" and "Gitlab" are speaking with each other >> since the very start of "Salsa". >> >> >>> I am not sure to be happy with this news. >> >> To me is the news that "press" and "marketing" are more involved. >> Because I assume good faith, I allow meself to focus on other stuff >> in (Debian) life. >> >> >>> To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship >>> and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian >>> Members being consulted. >> >> Yes, a DD is allowed to represent the project. >> >> >>> Last but not least, what kind of data would be shared regarding how we >>> use gitlab in Debian? >> >> Please give the (humble) Salsa admins time to elaborate. >> I have no insight information about "the data", >> but imagine (dull??) statistics on accounts, active accounts, projects, >> active projects. >> I do trust my fellow Debian Developers to deal wisely with it. >> For (gory??) details I recomment to join the Salsa admin team. > > To be honest - and to my suprise - we weren't involved in this > discussions. We don't share any personal data and we won't do that. > We share rough numbers (numbers of projects, users, > groups, storage used), but we also do that regulary in talks (at least > when there were real conferences). > > Alex - Salsa Admim I was under the assumption the Salsa Team would somehow benefit from this partnership in some way (technical help, extra resources, etc.), but I guess it's not the case. Thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure I understand what Debian has to gain from this "Partnership". More media exposure? I don't think we really need it: the Publicity Team was already doing a great job. More money? Gitlab is a silver sponsor for DebConf21, but so are ARM, Ubuntu, HRT, Two Sigma and Globo. Although I'm happy Gitlab the git forge exists, Gitlab the enterprise (Gitlab BV) is a for-profit, venture-capital backed entity. If we're OK partnering with them for more exposure [1], why are we not partnering with other similar enterprises? DSA has been using Puppet forever to maintain their infrastructure. Why not strike a partnership with them? If anything, I think this muddies Debian's image more than promotes it. Had Gitlab BV been a non-profit, I don't think this would've been a problem to me. :( [1]: Clearly this is rhetorical, I'm not. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org ⠈⠳⣄
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