Re: Question for Planet Admins: What Should I do if another Developer Removes my Blog
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 06:37:11PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Mathias" == Mathias Behrle <mbehrle@debian.org> writes:
>
> Mathias> * Karsten Merker: " Re: Question for Planet Admins: What
> Mathias> Should I do if another Developer Removes my Blog" (Sat, 25
> Mathias> May 2019 17:49:13 +0200):
>
> Mathias> Hi together,
>
> Mathias> I am supporting wholeheartedly the view of Carsten with
> Mathias> some small amendments.
>
> In this whole discussion I've been speaking as an individual developer.
>
> I find your position and that of Carsten confusing.
Hello Sam,
I must say that I am now very confused by your email.
> At one level you're arguing that we're not planet admins and should not
> do planet admin things.
>
> But then you spend the rest of the message saying how planet should be
> run...you spend the rest of the message actually trying to assert the
> sorts of things that you said ought to be left up to the planet admins.
>
> And the planet admins have already spoken on this issue and they don't
> agree with you. Joerg's message made it clear that the situation is
> more nuanced than Carsten's approach, and Mako went even further than
> Joerg.
Jörg has stated that he thinks that the whole topic isn't worth
discussing because he assumes that the case that you have
originally brought up effectively never happens, but he has also
stated that (quote)" Yes, we DO have the rule to modify YOUR OWN
entry or that of someone you sponsor/advocate", so I don't see
how that contradicts my statement that DDs who are not planet
admins shall not remove other people's feeds.
I assume that the "more nuanced" bits that you refer to above
concern particular actions by AH in the past and the question of
their legitimation as mentioned by Jörg, so in conformance with
the wishes that you and Jörg have expressed in your emails I'll
refrain from addressing those in this thread.
Mako wrote:
>> If somebody removes a feed from planet because they think it
>> is on the wrong side of appropriate behavior within Debian,
>> the appropriate first step is to discuss it with the parties
>> involved. I think it's part of the planet admins' job to
>> mediate this conversation.
>>
>> If consensus on an outcome cannot be reached this way, the
>> conversation will likely need to move a mailing list and/or
>> leadership within the project.
>>
>> I'd be happy to document this on the Planet wiki page.
>>
>> I understand that this approach gives everyone with access to
>> the repository on salsa the power to temporary silence anyone
>> else. I think that the benefits of this level of openness
>> (documented in the list of actions Joerg shared) are high
>> enough that they outweigh he risks this introduces.
This is where I don't agree with Mako. In my view it is
perfectly ok if the planet admins remove a particular feed after
they have assessed all circumstances and have come to the
conclusion that the contents of this particular feed justify a
removal, but this is a decision that the planet admins
_themselves_ should make and it has to be made _before_ a feed
gets removed. Giving (quote) "everyone with access to the
repository on salsa the power to temporary silence anyone else"
is IMHO clearly the wrong approach and in my view the risks
clearly outweigh any potential benefits.
Does your confusion about my position on this matter come from
the fact that I don't see a problem with planet admins removing a
feed if they think that needs to be done while I see a problem
with (some) planet admins wanting to permit every DD to
unilaterally remove other people's feeds without a prior
corresponding decision about the particular case by the planet
admins? Is my understanding correct that the point you are
trying to make is "if the planet admins have the power to perform
removals, then they also should have the power of allowing every
DD to unilaterally perform removals" and you find it confusing
that I consider these two things to be significantly different?
Sorry if I should have misinterpreted your intention; I'm really
trying to get your point, but I have problems understanding why
exactly you find my position confusing.
> I've certainly confirmed my original suspicion that our
> community has a wide set of views on this issue.
I'm sure we can all agree at least on that ;-).
Regards,
Karsten
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