On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:08:42PM +0000, Bart Martens wrote: > > > > What do the rest of you think? > > > I suggest we keep things civil, with respect for the persons involved. > > > It's really not up to Debian to harm someone's reputation, and that could > > > reflect bad on Debian's reputation. > > I don't understand this argument. What harm comes to Debian's reputation > > from showing publically that we do not tolerate abusive behavior on our > > mailing list? > The harm that could come to Debian's reputation is that Debian could be > perceived as an organization that harms people's reputation by judging them in > public about their behavior on the mailing lists. Ok, thanks for explaining. This isn't something that concerns me at all, but I understand that it concerns you. > > > Approaches I could support : > > > - post the bans with reasons on debian-private > > > - or maintain a list of bans with reasons in a text file on a Debian machine > > > where DDs can read this info. > > > > I think posting this on debian-private is not as good as posting it > > publically, for some of the reasons mentioned in my original mail. (E.g., > > making it clear to outsiders that certain behavior will not be tolerated.) > That can be made clear without harming individuals' reputations. How do you think it can be made clear? We do have a list code of conduct already (<http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct>), but the rules are vague; past attempts to make them more explicit have foundered. So while in theory there are other ways to make this clear, in practice it seems to be quite difficult. > > I don't think maintaining a list "somewhere" is sufficient; there should be > > some notification to the project when the bans take place. > I can imagine that some DDs prefer to receive notifications, which can be > obtained by simply using diff in crontab. That would fail to provide any of the benefits outlined in my original mail. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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