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Re: trademark policy draft

On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:46:34 +0100 Philip Hands wrote:

> Francesco Poli <invernomuto@paranoici.org> writes:
> ...
> > [...]
> >> \item You cannot alter the DEBIAN trademarks in any way.
> > [...]
> >> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
> >>
> >> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.
> > [...]
> >
> > These restrictions are currently violated by countless uses of Debian
> > logos (above all) and of the Debian textual trademark (sometimes).
> > Several such uses are done by the Debian Project itself, most notably
> > in desktop themes shipped as official Debian themes (for instance the
> > very nice default wheezy theme, named Joy [2]).
> >
> > [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Joy
> >
> > I think that these restrictions should be dropped entirely, since they
> > seem to be incompatible with the basic Free Software principles.
> There are some things that one needs to do simply to maintain a
> trademark.  I'm pretty sure that the bits you are objecting to are
> included in that set (although IANAL).
> Note that I'm not arguing that we _should_ have a trademark

I don't know, maybe the Debian Project should not hold trademarks
(through SPI or otherwise)...

The fact is, are we sure that the "price" to pay for holding a
trademark is forbidding things like the following wallpapers, for


and so forth, and so forth, and so forth, ...

And if this is really the price to pay, isn't too high a price?

> -- I'm with
> Lars in that I think it's somewhat distasteful for Debian to be dirtying
> our hands with this, but if that's the only way we can stop some bastard
> From distributing "Official Debian CDs" that turn out to be packed with
> back-doors and trojans, then we need to do the legal bits properly, and
> that involves following the legal advice we receive, rather than
> spouting unfounded drivel about what we might like the law to be.

I am not a lawyer, and I have very little knowledge of trademark laws
(I am a debian-legal regular, but we talk about copyrights much more
often than about trademarks there...).
It is not my intention to spout drivel, but I really hope that an
acceptable solution exists *within the law* and *within Free Software
principles* at the same time. Otherwise the Project should go a totally
different way (maybe abandoning its trademarks, as said above, I don't

> That said, those granted the right to play with the trademark can
> presumably do so.  We just need to grant that permission in the cases
> you seem concerned about.

Grant special permissions to *all* those people wanting to create a
wallpaper referring to Debian?!? And to *all* those people wanting to
do other creative things with Debian trademarks/logos?!?

I think that the only feasible way to do that is granting those
permissions *inside* the trademark policy itself, which is not too
different from dropping the restrictions I quoted, as I was

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