Re: http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDI (Was: Open Letter to Anthony Towns about the d-i mediation ...)

[Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr>]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:02:16PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >   http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDI [...]
> > For those awaiting evil gossip, you will be strongly disapointed though, since
> > i have decided to not go and add links of those bashings and other not-nice
> > things frans has said about me, but instead, [...]
> 
> In other words, Sven continues attacking Frans Pop by claiming that 
> those bashings exist - both in the above email and on that wiki page - 
> but doed not show any example directly (not a complete set, just an 
> example).  That's a bit unhelpful. 

Well, there are loads of those little issues like what you mentions below, and
there is no sign of this stopping, as can be seen in the below post from frans :

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/10/msg02040.html

There are more, but in general, frans insists that to be part of the d-i team,
and to be able to work on d-i, i have to be extra nice to him, but on the
other hand, he goes out of his way to be extra-not-nice to me.

> However, linked receptions from 
> Frans Pop:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01481.html 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/10/msg00394.html
> look very different to those of some other developers:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00663.html 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/08/msg01446.html
> 
> The page does contain a fuller list of contributions, which seems 
> interesting and persuasive, FWIW.

That was the intention, to provide a constructive listing of what i have done
for d-i, and why my svn commit access should be restored.

But well, it seems Geert Stappers wanted to go into the ping-pong i-blame-you
game, so there is the real information that started this whole mess here : 

  http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDiBg?action=show#head-65da7accf4e07a7dd01b0450df891f36cbc5336c

I guess only a few persons had the whole story, and how frans behaved in the
most inexcusable way back then, so please go read the above link and then tell
me that the way frans and the d-i team and the DPL in its mediation, and a lot
of other people like Geert acted back then was in any way a practice which we
are proud of in debian.

Friendly,

Sven Luther