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Re: Google ads on debian.org

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:41:55 -0500, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> said: 

> * Manoj Srivastava (srivasta@debian.org) wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:48:38 -0500, Stephen Frost
>> <sfrost@snowman.net> said:
>> > This gloom-and-doom prediction is really getting old.  No, it
>> > wouldn't become a precedent, no, it wouldn't lower our
>> > principles,
>> Yes, it does, in my opinion.
>> > no, it's not a step towards making Debian no longer free.  It's a
>> When you bring money into the picture, everything changes.  Indeed,
>> it is the love of money that ...

> Money is *nothing new* to Debian.  The fact that you think it is

	Right. Money, in the form of donations, is nothing
 new. Money-for-work or money-for-advertizing is. There is a
 difference; the former is generouisly donated by people voluntarily
 because of the good they thing debian is doing; the latter is because
 of business value earned -- and in my opinion this latter is not
 desirable, for various reasons I have stated in other emails.

> amazes me.  Debian gets donations all the time from people and
> companies, sometimes quite sizable ones.  The DPL doesn't go nuts
> and start trying to demand more production from us or any such thing
> though, even though, yes, that would probably increase the donations
> coming in.

> If we have a revenue stream sufficient to keep our operations going
> w/o needing donations of hosting and other services I don't know
> that I'd consider that a bad thing.

	I would. Money only from donations keeps us honest -- and
 keeps us to the core of what we started out to be. Turning us into a
 business, even a not-for-ptofit business, may taint the decisions
 made, and the decisions may be made inthe interest of more revenue
 rther than "our users", like the SC lays it out to be.

> Just because it's how we've been doing it doesn't make it the best
> possible way.

	No, not for that reason. Nice paper tiger, though.


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