[Matthew Hall] > there are 12 operators in #debian, which means we expect each one to > be present at least 2 unique hours per day, assuming the task is > equally divided. In my opinion that is probably not enough for a > channel with 600+ people and such extreme traffic levels There are actually a lot less than 12 active ops on that channel, but on the other hand, "coverage" is somewhat better than you might expect due to the insane amount of attention Rob Weir manages to lend the channel. Linus's phrase about Alan Cox actually being a SMP cluster comes to mind. Which is not to say more active ops wouldn't be better. But most of the time, there *is* one around when you need one, although they sometimes need to be poked. I myself never hesitate to poke ops that I think are around, when I spot behavior that I think should be dealt with. Others should do the same - and some do. (Note: the behavior I'm talking about is actually almost never the sexist crap - there's a lot more non-sexist abuse and trolling in that channel. Complaining only about abuse toward women, and not abuse toward men, is itself a form of sexism - an implication that the women are less capable of taking care of themselves. I've actually found the opposite to be true. But my point is, it all needs to be dealt with.) > Next, I would like to say some words to those who have been saying > that Debian doesn't discriminate against women. As far as IRC goes, > IT DOES. ADMIT IT ALREADY. I don't think anyone is disputing *that*. The question is whether, as a support resource advertised by the Project, the IRC channel on freenode is something for which Debian should take responsibility - in terms of setting and enforcing policies against abuse. And in fact, there's not even much argument about that either. I've talked to a couple of the ops, and they *are* discussing how to set and enforce a more intolerant policy. And as I said before, I do think more ops would be beneficial. Peter
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