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Re: [OT] Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source


(moving to -project, as Branden rightly proposed)

My point about non-free is different: As users are our other priority,
usefulness is important. And where there are thing with no Free
alternative yet, as for driver firmware, it is legitimate to provide
infrastructure to the user to get this, while (maybe, hopefully,
ideally) working on a Free replacement.

This does not yet say anything on whether we should have non-free as a
part of debian (or right "next to" debian). My vision is a non-free
infrastructure for non-free outside of and independent from debian, but
with the same (well, lets say similar) comforts for both users
(identical mirrors, widely spread, compatibility to debian, open BTS)
and developers (central upload servers, BTS, PTS, buildds). But this is
the future.

sorry if I started yet another thread about it, but I just had to state


Am Do, den 20.11.2003 schrieb Branden Robinson um 07:19:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:23:21PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > <Sidenote> It looks as if everytime we can get rid of a good reason for
> > non-free (e.g. viable acroread alternatives), new reasons (firmware for
> > drivers) arise. Sigh.</Sidenote>
> That's because it's a bad premise to use utility as a basis for deciding
> whether or not to keep distributing non-free.
> There's always going to be something in non-free that someone finds
> "useful", from a toy to a medical application that keeps their children
> alive (the latter is a hypothetical case, as far as I know :) ).
> If an *objective* standard of usefulness had anything do with our
> decisions about what to ship, there'd be a lot less stuff in *main*, let
> alone non-free.
> Further discussion should probably take place on -project.
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