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Re: The proposed GR: catch-22

On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 09:06:41PM -0400, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Chris Lawrence <lawrencc@debian.org> writes:
> > 1. It will have minimal effects since people will still be able to use
> > non-free software.
> > 
> > 2. It will have far-reaching effects since Debian (the corporate
> > entity) will expend fewer resources in support of people wanting to
> > use non-free software.
> I'm somenoe who has made these points, or something like them, but I
> think they are both mispresented in order to make them look
> contradictory.
> The correct version of 1 is:
> 1) It cause minimal disruption of users since people will still find
>    it as easy to use non-free software if they want.

And how/where will they find it?  Not as easy as adding "non-free" to
the end of their apt/sources.list lines.

> The correct version of 2 is:
> 2) It will have important effects on Debian, because we will maintain
>    our actual focus, devoting our resources to Debian.


What do you mean?  What are "our resources" and how is this proposal
going to change matters?  The developers maintaining non-free are
hardly likely to stop just because their packages are now going to
live elsewhere.  Don't tell me that the <1GB of non-free is the issue,
'cos that's all donated anyway, and I do not believe that the marginal
costs of administering non-free are significant.

> non-free is not part of Debian, so why are we distributing it?  For
> the convenience of the users.  If it were not for that, we would never
> consider it.  Since we can meet the convenience of the users in a way
> which does not require weakening the principles upon which Debian was
> founded. we should do it.

And how, exactly, would that work?

Do you have any idea how many complaints I heard when Debian only
changed its internal archive structure a couple of releases ago?  How
many lusers couldn't figure it out?

Get real!



  Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. J.D.Gilbey@qmw.ac.uk
        Debian GNU/Linux Developer,  see http://www.debian.org/~jdg
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