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Re: Creating a PowerPC task force?



I would be willing to help out with some task like organizing the 
documentation and/or translations; 

of course also testing packages on the user 
end as needed.

I like the idea of a top organizational mastermind making some task sub-
teams; and I'm willing to head-up 1-2 things appointed to me.  I've read 
through a lot of what's out there, including Rogérto's work on Grub2, 
etc. 

I would also like to suggest the ppc task force includes right at the top of 
any pages or docs a list of the most reccomended by the team, power pc systems 
to use..  I realized after reading Lennart's e-mail that I had no idea that 
ppc was so widely used.


[ side question, what is the favorite non-apple powerpc laptop of somebodies ?  
If I go pick up a low-cost used or discontinud laptop ]


All the Best
JB



On Thursday 21 November 2013 15:16:07 Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 03:07:39AM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote:
> > Dear people,
> > 
> > Motivated by:
> > 
> > * the results of the last call to porters
> > * the fact that PowerPC (at least) used to be an architecture where
> > Debian
> > 
> >   shined
> > 
> > * the lack of external support (which means that we should help
> > ourselves) * the documentation that is too spread
> > * the need of architecture-specific tools (pbbuttonsd? mouseemu?
> > 
> >   gtkpbbutons? anything that needs to be revived? yahoot? grub2?)
> 
> grub2 upstream at least is working quite well on powerpc.  I have been
> using it on power6 and power7 systems for 3 or 4 years now.
> 
> I would assume the *button* things are powermac related given I hadn't
> heard of them before.
> 
> > I thought: perhaps are people out there that may be interested in shaping
> > up the powerpc port of Debian?
> > 
> > In fact, since:
> > 
> > * Ubuntu doesn't offer an official PowerPC release anymore.
> > * Apple has long given up updating the operating system for PowerPC
> > users. * Major projects like Chromium/v8/nodejs are not available for
> > PowerPC. * Firefox for PowerPC is essentially dead as far as Mozilla is
> > concerned,
> > 
> >   with only a very bright enthusiast working on building it with
> >   JavaScript acceleration (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/),
> > 
> > we are essentially orphans of the architecture. Again, would anybody else
> > be interested in addressing the current problems that PowerPC seems to
> > have?
> > 
> > It would be super nice to work on having the installs as good as possible
> > (meaning: "working with as little fiddling as possible after a fresh
> > install"), integrating intelligence about snd-aoa, snd-powermac etc. in
> > debian-installer, making the 3D thing work as well as feasible,
> > automatically suggesting programs (alas, even firmware) that are of use
> > for a powerpc user?
> 
> So on which systems are you thinking?  Old powermacs or modern IBM
> pSeries?
> 
> > What about this idea?
> > 
> > Perhaps we can already grab/compile the resources that others have
> > already kept (say, the Gentoo pages, which are very good, the Ubuntu
> > PowerPC FAQ, which is another very good resource), an old document that
> > I, a long time ago, started writing at
> > https://github.com/rbrito/powerpc-tutorial etc.
> > 
> > Of course, having both the document for those people that want to know
> > how things are done and having the code that just works is the golden
> > goal...
> > 
> > Please, let me know if you are interested in joining efforts. I will only
> > commit efforts if I see other people contributing, as I have my hands
> > full already.
> 
> I think other than the installer needing a bit of work to know the
> correct partition setup to use on IBM powerpc systems (as far as I recall
> wheezy still doesn't quite do the right thing, although it has been a
> while since I did a new install), and making it install grub2 properly
> on systems where that is a better choice, it actually works quite well
> out of the box these days.A
> 
> Certainly for a while yaboot was hopelessly out of date which made the IBM
> systems impossible to use it on, and grub2 wasn't good enough for it yet.
> I think yaboot is now new enough to work, and grub2 is working quite
> well too.
> 
> I have no experience with the powermacs and other than the dual G5s,
> they are just so hopelessly slow and outdated that I can't imagine really
> bothering with them.

complete original thread:

On Thursday 21 November 2013 06:07:39 Rogério Brito wrote:
> Dear people,
> 
> Motivated by:
> 
> * the results of the last call to porters
> * the fact that PowerPC (at least) used to be an architecture where Debian
>   shined
> * the lack of external support (which means that we should help ourselves)
> * the documentation that is too spread
> * the need of architecture-specific tools (pbbuttonsd? mouseemu?
>   gtkpbbutons? anything that needs to be revived? yahoot? grub2?)
> 
> I thought: perhaps are people out there that may be interested in shaping
> up the powerpc port of Debian?
> 
> In fact, since:
> 
> * Ubuntu doesn't offer an official PowerPC release anymore.
> * Apple has long given up updating the operating system for PowerPC users.
> * Major projects like Chromium/v8/nodejs are not available for PowerPC.
> * Firefox for PowerPC is essentially dead as far as Mozilla is concerned,
>   with only a very bright enthusiast working on building it with JavaScript
>   acceleration (http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/),
> 
> we are essentially orphans of the architecture. Again, would anybody else
> be interested in addressing the current problems that PowerPC seems to
> have?
> 
> It would be super nice to work on having the installs as good as possible
> (meaning: "working with as little fiddling as possible after a fresh
> install"), integrating intelligence about snd-aoa, snd-powermac etc. in
> debian-installer, making the 3D thing work as well as feasible,
> automatically suggesting programs (alas, even firmware) that are of use for
> a powerpc user?
> 
> What about this idea?
> 
> Perhaps we can already grab/compile the resources that others have already
> kept (say, the Gentoo pages, which are very good, the Ubuntu PowerPC FAQ,
> which is another very good resource), an old document that I, a long time
> ago, started writing at https://github.com/rbrito/powerpc-tutorial etc.
> 
> Of course, having both the document for those people that want to know how
> things are done and having the code that just works is the golden goal...
> 
> Please, let me know if you are interested in joining efforts. I will only
> commit efforts if I see other people contributing, as I have my hands full
> already.
> 
> 
> Thanks,


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