machine is a dual usb ibook has an internal 56k modem, it seems to be at /dev/ttyS0 gtkterm seems happy enough to talk to the modem, but when i dial (ATDTxxxxx) it just spews garbage at me immediately no its not ppp, it just hammers in straight away with or without the phone line plugged in. could be to do with setserial or my modem is fried Dean -- WWW: http://dean.bong.com.au LAN: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL: dean@bong.com.au or djzort@bong.com.au ICQ: 16867613