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Re: comparing x86 and powerpc laptops


Sven Luther wrote:

My price includes tax (which we call GST of 10%). I like PowerPC (I have

So there is at least a 10% price difference here, which make your price
more like 1650 Euros.

I don't understand your calculation? My price _includes_ the tax, if I remove the tax, it is lower.

Did you try it out ? or are you just guessing ? The P4 is a chip that in
order to reach higher frequency compromised on the IPC level. A 1.4GHz
P4 was slower than a 1GHz PIII, when such chip still existed.

I use my G4 all the time and while it is fast, I just don't think it can be as fast as a CPU that clocks twice as fast, plus it's not just the CPU. My laptop uses DDR memory, and my PowerPC doesn't.

Here is an example of an Asus laptop from a shop in Australia, price is in AUD:

Asus L3 (P42000.256M.40G) Pentium 4 2.0-M processor, 256M RAM, 40G, 15.1" TFT XGA, 8X DVD + CD-RW, 56K Modem, 10/100 Lan, 2 Firewire, Windows XP Pro, Free Mouse, Silver casing, Free Bag, 2 year international warranty *$3050.00* (they also have floppy drive, PCMCIA etc).

For that price, you get :

14" Ibook 3,199.00 :

   800 MHz PowerPC G3
   512K L2 cache @ 800MHz
   256MB SDRAM memory
   30GB Ultra ATA drive
   ATI Mobility Radeon 7500
   32MB dedicated video memory
   Combo Drive
   Built-in 56K v.92 modem
   AirPort ready
   Up to 6 hr. battery life

Notice that your quote doesn't mention the graphic card, but i suppose
it is the Radeon 7500 Mobility too. Apart from the procesot, it is
roughlt equivalent, and the procesor will be speed bumped soon.

Depends on what you call equivalent. The x86 laptop has more hard disk, faster DDR memory, a faster CPU, a larger screen, a longer warranty, and costs less! :)

Please tell me ? what do you use a PCMCIA card for ? Wireless ethernet
or SCSI is the only thing that really comes to mind. The rest of the
stuff PCMCIA is used for is already builtin in todays laptops.

I use my PCMCIA slot to read high capacity compact flash cards, WiFi, and for Firewire soon. Also if I were to want something new like USB 2.0, I could have it, but not without the PCMCIA slot ;).

If you read reviews and look at the hardware you are getting, Apple machines are always going to be less value for money than an x86 machine. The same tends to apply for laptops. I have taken a better look

Bad conversions, the Ibook are :

 A$ 2,195.00   	A$ 2,795.00    A$ 3,199.00   A$ 3,749.00

 E 1.314,40     E 1.673,20     E 1.912,40    E 2.449,41

please show me the specs of a powerfull x86 notebook for 2,195.00 A$.
And remember, this are last year prices, there will be a speed bump
soon, and maybe even a price drop

For that price of $2195 we are in Celeron territory. I have no idea how a Celeron compares to a G3, but if we were to pretend that they were comparable, you can get well configured Celeron machines for $2195 or so.. Here are the specs of a good quality Toshiba laptop which costs $2295 from my local (not cheap) retailer, but can probably be found for less if you shop around:

 Mobile Intel® Celeron® 1.6GHz
- L2 Cache: 256KB
- Memory: 128MB DDR RAM (Max: 512MB) + free 128MB upgrade
- Display: 14.1" XGA TFT
- Graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon (AGP 4x) with 16MB Video RAM
- Audio: Realtek ALC202A Audio
- Modem: 56k V.90
- Network: Intel Fast Ethernet
- PCMCIA: 2 x Type II or 1 x Type III
- Hard Drive: 20GB
- Optical Drive: 8x DVD-ROM
- FDD: Integrated Internal Drive
- Pointing Device: Touchpad 2 buttons
- Interfaces: 1 x Parallel, 1 x VGA, 3 x USB1.1, Mic, Headphone, 1 x RJ11, 1 x RJ45, 1 x TV-Out RCA Jack, 1 x Kensington Slot
- Weight: 3.2Kg
- Windows XP Pro

It has no burner, but neither does the iBook 700 if I am correct. It has more memory, a larger screen, a DVD ROM drive etc. The CPU is a lot faster (clock speed anyway) than any G3 in existence.

But to be honest, a decent x86 notebook is usually around $2700-3000 as a starting point in my opinion. The notebook you mention for $2195 is not powerful in my opinion. It has a tiny 12" screen, it has a rather small 20GB hard disk, the memory is inadequate at 128MB, it lacks PCMCIA, floppy, and the CPU is just a G3.

Anyway I'll leave it at that, everyone can have their own opinions, and since I paid a comparatively large amount for an AmigaOne, I'm not really in a position to compare x86 and PowerPC in terms of "value for money".. ;)



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