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Re: Proposal for next steps for systemd-related policy



Hi,

I broadly agree with what you said.

Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> writes:

> 2. Do nothing further before January 6th.  It's still the holidays, and
>    subsequent steps are going to require some discussion, and I think it's
>    worth taking a breath.

This, particularly.

>    My thought process here is that while the GR permits packages to start
>    using systemd facilities directly, doing that without somehow declaring
>    that requirement in package metadata seems likely to cause bugs and
>    upgrade issues, so we should try to provide some better facilities.  I
>    think there's an obvious gap here where we need a mechanism to declare
>    a dependency on a system facility (as distinct from a package that may
>    be installed but not running) such as tmpfiles.d, sysusers.d, the
>    ability to rely on DynamicUser without creating a user for that purpose
>    in maintainer scripts, systemd D-Bus facilities, socket activation, or
>    so forth.

This is a sound point; systemd provides an increasing range of
facilities, and it'd be good to keep track of which of them are being
used where and how.

>    As time goes on, we'll get a better feel for how much work folks will
>    be doing going forward on supporting other init systems, and thus on
>    how quickly we should move versus giving them time to determine how
>    they want to support equivalent functionality.

I suspect such effort is going to be at a low ebb in the immediate
aftermath of this GR, so this will need some care.

Regards,

Matthew

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