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Bug#901160: marked as done (Updating the description of the Standards-Version field)

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and subject line Bug#901160: fixed in debian-policy 4.1.5.0
has caused the Debian Bug report #901160,
regarding Updating the description of the Standards-Version field
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 4.1.4.1
Severity: normal
User: debian-policy@packages.debian.org
Usertags: normative discussion

Thank you for pointing out that Policy's description is out-of-date,
Ian, and for the patch.  I agree that it captures the consensus we
established in that previous discussion, but it's not quite right for
Policy yet; see below.

Firstly, I think this text should go in section 4.1, and the description
of the Standards-Version field should have a link back to section 4.1.
The text in 4.1 is currently a bit strong about how often people have to
check Policy, so we can replace that with your new text.

On Fri, Jun 08 2018, Ian Jackson wrote:

> +For a package to have an old Standards-Version
> +is not itself a bug.
> +It just means that no-one has yet
> +reviewed the package with changes to the standards in mind.
> +The Standards-Version should not be updated
> +except after reviewing the applicable upgrading checklist.

The upgrading checklist explicitly states that it does not have
normative status, so a 'should not' requirement should not defer to it.

Also, IMO this should be 'must' rather than 'should' -- since it is pure
metadata, bumping the s-v without reviewing the changes to Policy can
only be counterproductive.

How about:

    The Standards-Version must not be updated except after reviewing the
    changes between the old and the new versions of the standards (the
    upgrading checklist[hyperlink] can help with this task).

> +A very old Standards-Version
> +can mean that infelicities in the package are likely.
> +As a rule of thumb,
> +each package should be reviewed at least once per Debian release,
> +so a Standards-Version older than the previous Debian release
> +is indicative of work (if only review work) that needs doing.

s/As a rule of thumb, each package should be/It is recommended that each package be/

"Should" carries the weight of a bug of 'important' severity, but I
don't think that was your intent (and I don't think it should have
been).

If others are happy with the changes in this e-mail I'll prepare a patch
for seconding.

-- 
Sean Whitton

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Source: debian-policy
Source-Version: 4.1.5.0

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
debian-policy, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 901160@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> (supplier of updated debian-policy package)

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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:49:10 +0100
Source: debian-policy
Binary: debian-policy
Architecture: source
Version: 4.1.5.0
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Policy Editors <debian-policy@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Description:
 debian-policy - Debian Policy Manual and related documents
Closes: 787816 864615 880920 891216 901160
Changes:
 debian-policy (4.1.5.0) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Policy: Update section 4.1, "Standards conformance"
     Wording: Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
     Seconded: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
     Seconded: Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>
     Closes: #901160
   * Policy: Require d-devel consultation for each epoch bump
     Wording: Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
     Seconded: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
     Seconded: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
     Closes: #891216
   * Policy: Document Rules-Requires-Root
     Wording: Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net>
     Wording: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>
     Wording: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
     Seconded: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
     Closes: #880920
   * Policy: Update version of POSIX standard for shell scripts
     Wording: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
     Seconded: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
     Seconded: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>
     Seconded: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org>
     Closes: #864615
   * Policy: Update version of FHS from 2.3 to 3.0
     Wording: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
     Seconded: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
     Seconded: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>
     Closes: #787816
   * Add reference link to section 4.1 to section 5.6.11.
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