Hello Charles, On 14.02.2014 00:46, Charles Plessy wrote: [...] > In his original wording, Josselin proposed to add at the end of section 9.6 one > sentence pointing to the Debian menu as an option. Here it is, rephrased to > replace “legacy window managers” by “window managers that do not support the > FreeDesktop standard”, which is more techically precise. > > <p> > Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some window > managers that do not support the FreeDesktop standard, also provide a > <em>Debian menu</em> file, following the <em>Debian menu policy</em>, > which can be found in the <tt>menu-policy</tt> files in the > <tt>debian-policy</tt> package. It is also available from the Debian > web mirrors at <tt><url name="/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/" > id="http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu-policy/";></tt>. > </p> > > With the addition above, I call for seconds (patch attached). Markus, please > raise your hand if I was wrong to think that this addition correctly addresses > your comments. Seconded. Thank you for keeping me in the loop. I think the above wording is sensible and addresses my concerns and those of others here in this thread. Thanks for your work on the Policy. Sune Vuoela wrote: > I do think a paragraph like that still makes the changes better than 'status > quo', but I do also think that it would be better to 1) not ship this > paragraph and 2) apologize to Markus and the games team for having wasted > their time with menu files. This ensures that we in a year don't have to 3) > apologize to the rest of the Debian community for having wasted their time > with menu files. > > But still. Better than status quo. I can understand, from the point of view of GNOME, KDE and Xfce users, that menu files are not useful anymore because they are de facto superseded by desktop files and the synergy effects with other distributions are now far greater. However one should keep in mind that menu files predate desktop files and that they have been widely adopted because they are a grown and mature alternative. I think there is no need to apologize since a significant amount of work has already been done to support menu and desktop files in the past. We are in a very fortunate situation, in which it is easier to reach the goal to support both menu systems for games, than it is to get rid of menu files completely. I think this gradual approach of the Debian Policy by making intermediate steps, instead of recommending something and then not even mentioning it in the next revision, serves users and the Debian community as a whole better. Now everybody knows that the xdg standard should be supported by desktop applications but on the other hand, everybody is free to include a proven menu system which is still useful for lightweight desktop environments. What develops from this change, the future will tell. Regards, Markus
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