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Re: Bug#317365: Why is this policy related?Organization: The Debian Project



On 08-Jul-2005, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

[Arnt, if you're going to write in English, please make yourself
easier to understand by following English usage. Paragraphs don't
start with leading period characters, and most sentences start with a
capital letter.]

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:11:55 -0500, Manoj wrote
> > I am not sure I can follow what the object of this report is, and
> > I certainly do not see why a serious priority is justified.  What
> > exactly is the potential for litigation here in policy?  
> 
> ..does "SCO vs IBM" ring a bell?  http://groklaw.net/  

How does this apply to current Debian policy?

> > From what I can gather, the objection in some sense seems to be on
> > the word "agreement". 
> 
> ..correct, adding " agreement" to "license" yields "license agreement",
> which is legalese for contract.

How is this relevant?

> > the policy document does not include the word agreement, 
> 
> ..precisely, and precisely why Don summarily closed #317365:

So, how is this a bug in Policy? How is this even relevant to Debian
policy?

> ..he and the KDE project _is_ however in conflict with both his own,
> KDEP's, F/OSS etc and Debian's interests AFAIK them, when he
> advances Microsoft's argument and interests like above here.

I can't see how you're connecting Debian policy and "Microsoft's
argument", nor how it's relevant.

> > so surely whatever the problem is, if any, it does not warrant a
> > serious bug on policy.
> 
> ..here I disagree, we (F/OSS|Debian) open ourselves as a long term
> litigation targets, unwarrantedly, by letting Microsoft lobby in this
> confusing language into Debian packages, and by _not_ mentioning the
> Debian position or policy in the DPM on whether or not the GPL etc are
> licenses or contracts.  

As explained, there *is* no position or policy on this matter. It's up
to local law; Debian policy can't affect it.

> ..here I believe we agree the DPM should at the very least point to
> a resource and suggest a minimum standard.  ;o)

Standard for what? I don't see what Debian policy could say that would
be more informative than "seek legal advice in your own jurisdiction".

Generic, non-Debian-specific advice doesn't really belong in Debian's
official policy document, and it's far from a bug on the policy for it
not to be there.

-- 
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Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au>

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