Bug#109182: marked as done (Removing more historical cruft)
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From: Cesar Eduardo Barros <cesarb@nitnet.com.br>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Removing more historical cruft
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Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.5.6.0
Severity: wishlist
Some time ago (ok, a lot of time ago), lots of things were changed in the
filesystem (I can particulary recall the gradual phasing-out and elimination of
/usr/tmp and /var/adm). Now I think it's time to go on and move some more
things.
There are a number of binaries which should go into /bin instead of /sbin or
/usr/sbin -- the full argument is at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200106/msg00878.html
I have only one thing to add to that list: traceroute should be moved, _not_ to
/usr/bin as lots of people claim, but to /bin . It's as necessary and useful as
ping to diagnose networking trouble, and /usr might be mounted via NFS through
a gateway -- exactly what we want to diagnose. Same for the ipv6 versions of
ping and traceroute.
For a counter-argument, look at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200106/msg00945.html
(which says only traceroute belongs to bin and not other tools like ifconfig).
To do it, the only needed things would be a small amount of relative symlinks.
After some releases (in Debian time, this means some years), most of the
symlinks would go away. Much like /usr/tmp and /var/adm.
If this is rejected, I still think that at least traceroute should be moved out
of /usr (whether it's /bin or /sbin doesn't matter much when the network is
down and /usr is NFS-mounted).
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:57:51 -0300
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Subject: I give up
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From: Cesar Eduardo Barros <cesarb@nitnet.com.br>
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I filed this bug expecting a rational discussion about the moving of other
things to /bin (I already gave up on traceroute), like mke2fs (no, there's no
real reason why a normal user would want to create a disk image... Even if he
has write access to /dev/fd0 and could use dd to write it there... He also
can't run UML, so he really has no use for it...).
I'm closing this bug to prevent another flamewar like the last one in
debian-devel.
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Cesar Eduardo Barros
cesarb@nitnet.com.br
cesarb@dcc.ufrj.br
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