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Re: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

Marco d'Itri (2001-06-01 14:00:34 +0200) :

> On Jun 01, Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> wrote:
>  >Excuse me?  "With the possible exception of the CJK community"?  What
>  >about people speaking (and writing/typing) Arabic, Hebrew, Greek,
>  >Russian and whatnot?

> I don't know about Arabic and Hebrew, but russian people don't like
> unicode and do not want to switch from the KOI-8 and KOI-8r encodings.

As for Arabic: it seems that Linux in particular and Free Software in
general hasn't got the same respect we have in some other countries.
That means the only working thing outside Unicode is
Windows-something.  I don't know for Hebrew.  And my colleagues from
the Moscow branch of my company use KOI-* when they need to, but
they'd like everyone to switch to Unicode.

  As for myself, I regularly speak Japanese, and I'm interested in
Chinese.  None of them have charsets compatible with my national one.
Except the obvious one.

>  >  I gather you're Italian, so you might need some
>  >accents (I remember seeing some "è").

> Yes, and I already have a correctly working national encoding, thank
> you.

  No you haven't.  I'm French.  We both use Latin-1 (ISO-8859-1).
It's already a mess.  We miss three characters (the lowercase and
uppercase "oe" ligatures, and some y with umlaut or something).  And
now we miss the euro sign too.  The transition to Latin-9
(ISO-8859-15, with the euro and the missing characters) is *already*
causing *major* nerve breakage amongst people.

>  >  In *my* experience, most people *do* want to use Unicode.  I would
> Just don't force it on everybody else.

  I never forced anyone to switch from the MS-DOS codepages or the
Windows-125* encodings mess.  I just happen to think it's not the most
reasonable default configuration for Debian, as opposed to Unicode.

> I'd love to be able to use unicode for everything, but the reality
> is that the software is not yet good enough to support it to the
> same level of the national encodings.

  And how exactly do you expect to get the developers to care about
Unicode if no-one is putting some pressure on them?  They already
pretty much don't give a damn about Latin-9, and *that* one is more
urgent and less theoretical.

Roland Mas

Chaos always defeats order, because it is better organized.
  -- Ly Tin Wheedle, in Interesting Times (Terry Pratchett)

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