Bug#46522: marked as done ([AMENDMENT 26/10/99] Amend non-free definition)
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Proposal to change section 2.1.4
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*** policy.sgml.3.0.1.1 Sun Oct 3 10:01:29 1999
--- policy.sgml Sun Oct 3 10:01:49 1999
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*** 399,406 ****
<heading>The non-free section</heading>
<p>
`Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant with
! the DFSG or which are encumbered by patents or other legal
! issues that make their distribution problematic.</p>
<p>
All packages in `non-free' must be electronically
distributable across international borders.
--- 399,405 ----
<heading>The non-free section</heading>
<p>
`Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant with
! the DFSG.
<p>
All packages in `non-free' must be electronically
distributable across international borders.
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:12:57 -0700
From: Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@debian.org>
To: Raul Miller <raul@usatoday.com>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>, Joel Klecker <jk@espy.org>,
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Subject: Re: SSH never free
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On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 11:51:30AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Here's a quote from the policy:
> >
> > `Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant with the DFSG or
> > which are encumbered by patents or other legal issues that make their
> > distribution problematic.
>
> Encumbered by patents should be non-us, not non-free. And even there,
> only for cases where someone makes an issue of it.
>
> Reason? Everything is encumbered by patents. At least in the U.S.,
> you're presumed to be guilty of patent infringement until proven innocent.
>
> Also, if there are legal issues associated with a DFSG program which
> can't be addressed by moving the package to non-US we should probably
> either set up a new repository for that kind of package or else not
> distribute it at all.
>
> I propose that the above language be changed to:
>
> `Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant with the DFSG.
Seconded! Given that hyperlinks are patented (not by anyone who writes a
web browser), so are right mouseclicks and a Save As menu option are
patented by SOMEBODY, it's unrealistic to say we can move all patented
software to non-free.
Other things patented in the US:
the technology emacs uses to embed elisp
editor syntax highlighting
timer calibration loops like the kernel uses
Software wavetables (timidity and kernel SoftOSS)
a process which has the ability to determine a program died and restart it
for that matter any software which runs something at a given time
MDI apps (windows within window like win3.1 used, not M$'s patent either)
icon bars, in general
LZW and RSA, which of course are DISCOVERIES, not INVENTIONS
If we move everything to non-free that is patented SOMEPLACE we'd have
nothing at all in main the very second we start examining the patents of
the US. It is widely regarded that any of these patents if ever enforced
would find themselves not standing up in court due to the mountains or
prior art in existance... Whether or not that is true, we have to stop
somewhere.
And BTW, someone patented using a paper clip to hold a mouse cord at the
end of your mouse pad in a manner that causes you to not run out of cord..
That's not software, but it's not exactly rocket science. You can buy
little plastic clips that are of course patented. Whatevver you do, don't
start selling bent paper clips or they'll sue you for patent infringement!
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From: Julian Gilbey <J.D.Gilbey@qmw.ac.uk>
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Cc: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org>
Subject: Closed in debian-policy 3.2.1.0
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Thanks to Manoj for closing all of these bugs in debian-policy version
3.2.1.0.
Julian
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