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Re: Hoping to be of use (as well as getting my packages uploaded....)


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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk> wrote:
> Everyone,
>     Thanks for the welcome and the friendly discussion. The link to the list
> of packaging teams is very helpful and I appreciate the efforts to make it
> more prominent in future.
>     I have run svn-inject on libencode-hanextra-perl. I'd like to see how
> that goes before proceeding any further.
>     Also the irc server seems to be down at the moment.
> Nicholas
> Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
> first of all welcome to the Perl group :-)
> Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk> writes:
>    Do you mean you have never needed to apply for developershipness?
> Not everything I am interested in is a perl module (or even perl)  so
> I might have to.
> Our group has very active sponsors (gregoa++) and does not suffer a lack
> from official Debian Developers that I heard some other groups have to
> fight with.  So at least for Perl modules there is no need to become a
> DD unless you want to.
> I also would like to point out the Debian Maintainers system [1] that
> Debian has introduced some time ago.  It allows you to upload selected
> packages that you maintain and it is much, much easier to become a
> Debian Maintainer compared to becoming a Debian Developer.  Of course
> you can also become a DM first and then proceed to become a DD.
> [1] <http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer>
> Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk> writes:
> Okay if I understand things it's like this. In general Debian the
> prospective package maintainer does the packaging work to the best of
> his ability and hands it over to someone with upload privileges. The
> person with upload privileges rebuilds and sanity checks the packages
> and only if satisfied does he actually upload the package. Further to
> that he has the right to set his own additional conditions  to make
> his life easier - it is after all a thankless and unpaid task. So if
> one fulfils all the conditions for generic Debian, but not fulfilled
> the conditions for a specific sponsor, then he must redo the work to
> the satisfaction of the sponsor (okay the bulk of the effort should
> carry across). To the unwise novice this all looks like Debian  is
> just putting obstacles in his path - that as soon as he reaches one
> summit, the clouds part and he realizes he must climb one
> more. However it is not thus. Rather the obstacles are there to prove
> that the novice is worthy - because many set out on the path and
> return disappointed, the obstacles serve to separate the determined
> from the less so.
> I am sorry if you perceived it this way and I certainly understand that
> one can get this impression.  As Damyan already explained some of these
> are conventions within our group that you could not know beforehand.  On
> the other hand, joining a packaging group is often recommended to new
> beginners, but many only read about this after they have already worked
> on the package leading to extra work for them.  I just filed two bug
> reports [2][3] to make packaging groups a little more visible to new
> contributors -- thanks for your suggestion on that.  Please do not
> hasten to suggest other places where you would like to have seen this
> information before.
> [2] <http://bugs.debian.org/591702>
> [3] <http://bugs.debian.org/591705>
> A small warning: gregoa is very thorough in his package review, but he
> is not stricter than for his own uploads.  (There is a criticism that
> Debian is stricter in reviewing packages by non-DDs compared to those
> uploaded by DDs and I think there is some truth to that, but this might
> a bit off-topic.)
> You are of course also welcome on our IRC channel (#debian-perl).  Feel
> free to ask any questions you might have :-)
> Regards,
> Ansgar

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