Bug#218585: Fonts WAY too big
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:35, Marc Wilson wrote:
> No one said you did. But it's obviously become
> desktop-environment-specific in some manner now.
It always was. OOo tries to detect whether you have KDE, Gnome, or
something else and acts accordingly. dtint.cxx tries to detect which
one you are using, and part of the problem could be that it doesn't get
that right in all cases.
> Well, those of us who aren't using KDE or Gnome don't necessarily HAVE
> "central font configuration". I want no part of KDE here, and I've done
> everything I can to short out gconf here for the few Gnome applications I
> use. No "settings daemon", no nothing.
This is about libfontconfig, not a desktop dependency. I have not
included any Ximian patches that add extra dependencies.
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I had no reason whatsoever to try a
> "test library", as the application behavior was entirely as expected. I
> was congratulating myself at not being subject to something that looked
> KDE/Gnome specific (yet another reason NOT to use the overblown useless
> environments... that was the perception here).
That's not what the discussions in the bug report were about. I was
receiving problem reports about both KDE and non KDE/Gnome desktop - the
only one that seemed to be working was Gnome.
I spend more time on non-KDE/Gnome working on this problem than on
either KDE or Gnome. KDE was relatively easy to fix. twm took me much
much longer.
> You will note that, as far as I can tell, the only people complaining in
> the previous long bug thread were using one of the two DE's.
twm was involved too.
> > We do not have enough spare time and resources to fix every problem in
> > advance and need a certain amount of help from the user community.
>
> Gee, I thought that was what bug reports were all about. My mistake. I'm
> not a programmer, so I try to participate where I can.
I wasn't saying I don't want bugreports. I was saying I actually need
bugreports to help get this right across all desktops, and to get
bugreports I have to release something that people can test, and that's
the process we're still going through.
> > If you don't like helping to test OOo out and help make it even better,
> > please downgrade and wait for this to get sorted out.
>
> I haven't decided yet if I want to downgrade or if it's worth riding the
> roller coaster until it gets sorted out. Right now, with the scale set all
> the way down to 75%, it's at least usable. On the one hand, I want to
> help, on the other hand, apparently the only thing the packaging team cares
> about is whether you run KDE, or you run Gnome.
That is unfair. I spent the most time testing and trying to fix the
fonts for that bug in twm.
Chris
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