Re: #1009709 - RFS: nginx/1.18.0-2 [RC] -- small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server

["M. Zhou" <lumin@debian.org>]

Ok, I see your debian maintainer status. Then the problem is simpler.
DM access for nginx should be given by the original nginx maintainers.

If no response from maintainers, you may
(1) go through Intent To Salvage process and become maintainer
(2) find sponsor for a delayed NMU for fixing the RC bug in the last minute

On Thu, 2022-04-14 at 23:46 -0400, M. Zhou wrote:
> Also, I'd like to fix another misunderstanding.
> 
> DM access is only possible after you became a debian maintainer (nm.debian.org).
> You have to go through the application process.
> That step must be finished before someone can give you the DM upload permission.
> 
> Another misunderstanding is that debian developers usually do not give
> first-time contributors DM permission. DM permission means endorsement
> and no one can endorse someone unfamiliar.
> 
> On Thu, 2022-04-14 at 23:42 -0400, M. Zhou wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-04-14 at 20:26 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > I sent such requests literally when they gave me access, and it seems 
> > > there may only be one or two individuals driving the package - of which 
> > > it's impossibly hard to get one of them to even respond.  Last response 
> > > I had from Ondrej on the uploaders and team was "Join the maintainers 
> > > team" on Salsa, which I did and they granted me access - 
> > > https://salsa.debian.org/nginx-team/nginx has the recent work which has 
> > > made the team "no longer inactive after a three week break".  If this is 
> > > not enough to point at me having maintainer access to the VCS for 
> > > releasing the packages, then maybe Debian should do some research before 
> > > outright rejecting.
> > 
> > I'd like to point out in Debian's convention Salsa permission is not
> > equivalent to any factual upload permission. Even if you are granted
> > with Owner access on Salsa, it's still a separated thing when talking
> > about upload permission. There are massive amount of examples of
> > salsa contributors without factual uploading permission. There are
> > historical reasons behind this, which seems quite different from
> > Ubuntu's convention.
> > 
> > Being unable to get a response from original maintainer is always
> > a pain to contribute for this community. You may want to look up
> > the "Intent To Salvage" process given your intent to maintain it
> > for long term. Whether people can get response varies across in
> > different teams at different times.
> > 
> > I understand such frustration as I experienced exactly the same thing
> > when I was not a DD.
> > 
> > > I'm happy to wait for one of their people to give me dak access or 
> > > sponsor the upload, however keep in mind that after 3 weeks with no 
> > > activity AND a merge request that took two weeks to get that would fix 
> > > the FTBFS that broke NGINX in Testing to begin with, we're staring at a 
> > > "Package is not fit for testing" problem currently that is nearly a 
> > > month old and hasn't been fixed yet. (However, given that I've been 
> > > making the commits on the Salsa repo that the packaging directly comes 
> > > from, I'm not sure if you mean something other than the NGINX Team on 
> > > Salsa when you refer to "maintainers" - I have 'Maintainer' access on 
> > > the Salsa repo itself that the packaging comes from)
> > > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I have to tell you the truth that Debian community is
> > a group of unpaid volunteers. And you may have to lower your
> > expectation on the other developer's response within this community.
> > 
> > Really, triggering autorm due to FTBFS happens all the time.
> > Bugs left for a month unfixed happens all the time.
> > When the package maintainers are going to do something, they will
> > continue from your work on salsa and include them in the next
> > upload.
> > 
> > You may have been confused by Salsa "Maintainer access" and "Debian
> > Maintainer". They are truely different thing and irrelevant.
> > Even if someone has "Owner access" on Salsa, it does not mean
> > this contributor should have "Debian Developer" or "Debian Maintainer"
> > permission for ftp-master upload.
> > 
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