Re: Packaging NGS QC Toolkit for Debian
Dear Mukesh,
I wonder whether you realised my question about restricting the use of
the software to non-commercial purposes. If you confirm that this was
discussed at your side and will not change we might consider packaging
ngsqctoolkit in Debian non-free which is not part of official Debian
but might be helpful anyway.
Kind regards
Andreas.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:25:33PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Dear Mukesh,
>
> thanks for your straight response.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 06:45:06PM +0530, Mukesh Jain wrote:
> > Dear Andreas,
> >
> > Many thanks for your e-mail and interest in our toolkit. My response to
> > your queries is given below.
> >
> > 1. The http://www.nipgr.res.in/ngsqctoolkit.html page defines an HTML frame
> > which in turn calls and loads the toolkit page from
> > http://59.163.192.90:8080/ngsqctoolkit/. Therefore when you access the
> > former weblink through web browser it loads the toolkit page and works
> > perfectly fine, but when you try to download the page using former weblink
> > you will get only the page with HTML frame. Currently, we are not in
> > position to change this settings. It would be great if you could use the
> > latter weblink for your project instead.
>
> OK, this does not cause any trouble for us regarding packaging. I just
> thought that it might confuse users.
>
> > 2. The manual already has "Terms of Use".
>
> Ahh, thanks for the hint. I'd recommend to add a plain text file
> COPYING or something like this into the download tarball to make it more
> easy to find. I have checked the license which says:
>
> NGS QC Toolkit has been developed at National Institute of Plant Genome Research,
> Aruna Asaf Ali Marg, New Delhi – 110067, India. All rights about the toolkit are reserved to
> National Institute of Plant Genome Research, Aruna Asaf Ali Marg, New Delhi – 110067,
> India.
> .
> NGS QC Toolkit is a free and open source software toolkit, and distributed in the hope
> that it will be useful. In no event will NIPGR be liable to you for damage, including any
> general, special, consequential or incidental damage arising out of the use, modification or
> inability to use the program (including but not limited to loss of data or data being rendered
> inaccurate or losses sustained by you or third parties or a failure of the program to operate
> with any other programs). NGS QC Toolkit can be used, redistributed and/or modified freely
> for non-commercial purposes subject to the original source is properly cited.
> .
> THIS PACKAGE IS PROVIDED “AS IS” AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER
> EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
> MERCHANTIBILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> .
> Use of this toolkit is taken as an agreement to these terms of usage.
>
> In the second paragraph you are restricting the use of the software to
> non-commercial purposes. While this is a frequently used restriction in
> scientific software from a Debian point of view it is a discrimination
> of for-profit use and and discrimination is per definition non-free
> (since it does not fit the Open Source definition [1]). Do you see any
> chance to drop this restriction and for instance use some standard
> license like GPL, BSD, MPL etc? This would enable us to distribute
> ngsqctoolkit with main Debian.
>
> > 3. The source (i.e. Windows Word page) can be found the following link if
> > that works for them.
> > http://59.163.192.90:8080/ngsqctoolkit/NGSQCToolkitv2.3.3_manual.doc
>
> Nice, we will include a copy of this file into the package to fullfill
> the requirement of having the source.
>
> > I hope it answers your queries.
>
> It did ... and opened a new one about the license. :-)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Andreas.
>
> [1] http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
> --> see paragraph 5
>
> > Best
> > Mukesh
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mukesh Jain,
> > >
> > > I'm writing you on behalf of the Debian Med team which tries to include
> > > any free software in biology and medicine into main Debian. I stumbled
> > > upon your NGS QC Toolkit which seems to fit nicely into the biology task
> > > of Debian Med[1]. When trying to create a Debian package I stumbled upon
> > > the following issues:
> > >
> > > 1. On your website[2] you are linking to
> > > http://www.nipgr.res.in/ngsqctoolkit.html
> > > Unfortunately this resolves only to an empty page. When doing
> > > a web search the toolkit can be found here:
> > > http://59.163.192.90:8080/ngsqctoolkit/
> > > Most probably some DNS is broken and I'd suggest to sort this
> > > out with your local admins to make sure the toolkot can be found
> > > by interested people.
> > >
> > > 2. Neither at the website nor in the downloadable code or
> > > documentation I can find some licensing statement that would
> > > define the conditions people can use the code. This is considered
> > > as non-free by Debian. It would be really great if you would
> > > consider to use a free license (for instance GPL or BSD) for
> > > the code of NGS QC Toolkit
> > >
> > > 3. There is a file NGSQCToolkitv2.3.3_manual.pdf inside the
> > > download tarball. Would you be able to provide the source of
> > > this file as well? It does not look like created using LaTeX
> > > but some editable format (like ODF) would be great. Otherwise
> > > we would need to strip this documentation from the Debian package.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Andreas.
> > >
> > > [1] http://blends.debian.org/med/tasks/bio
> > > [2] http://nipgr.res.in/research/dr_mjain.php
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *****************************************************************
> > *Mukesh Jain, Ph.D. *
> > Staff Scientist
> > National Institute of Plant Genome Research (NIPGR)
> > Aruna Asaf Ali Marg
> > New Delhi-110 067, INDIA
> > Phone: 91-11-26735182
> > Mobile: 91-9871711699
> > E-mail: mjain@nipgr.ac.in <mjain@nipgr.res.in>
> > mjainanid@gmail.com
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> > ******************************************************************
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