Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell (fwd)
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 20. August 2013, 14:18:49 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> Hi Charles,
>
> I'm forwarding information from Dr. Wickham about the data file in the
> munsell package as requested by you. See your email at the bottom, Let me
> know what followup you want, if any. I think contacting the authors of a
> 1943 paper is unlikely to be successful. We could contact the people who
> put this data online (presumably people at RIT) to ask them what they
> think. There is a feedback page at http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/contact.
did anybody contact the people there? If not, I can do it and ask about the
usage/license of the data.
Kind regards
Benjamin
>
> Regards, Faheem
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:29:44 -0700
> From: Charlotte Wickham <cwickham@gmail.com>
> To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> Subject: Re: Debian enquiry about data files in munsell
>
> I obtained real.dat from http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/online/munsell.php
> which is a digitization of Table 1 in: S. M. NEWHALL, D. NICKERSON, and
> D. B. JUDD. Final report of the o.s.a. subcommittee on the spacing of the
> munsell colors. J. Opt. Soc. Am., 33(7):385–411, 07 1943.
>
> It shouldn't be copyrighted for two reasons: (1) it's data, (2) it's
> produced by employees of the federal govt, but I don't have any proof of
> that.
>
> I'm updating my package documentation to improve the description of the
> source data.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been (sort of) deputized by the Debian Med team, who are trying
> to get munsell into Debian as r-cran-munsell. But they have hit a bit of a
> hitch. The FTPmasters, who are Debian's gatekeepers, are wondering about
> the data files in munsell.
>
> You ship the file R/sysdata.rda which can be created from the text
> file inst/raw/real.dat using inst/raw/getmunsellmap.R.
>
> So, Debian wants to know where this data table inst/raw/real.dat
> comes from, how it was created, and what the preferred way to modify it is.
>
> There are a couple of issues here. First, I think it is simply a
> question of what the license for inst/raw/real.dat is. Secondly, Debian
> policy says that source files should be shipped in the preferred form for
> modification.
>
> But if necessary Charles or one of the other Debian Med people can
> clarify.
>
> Regards,
> Faheem
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 08:28:35 +0900
> > From: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
> > To: Faheem Mitha <faheem@faheem.info>
> > Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-med@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: best policies for third party Debian packaging and
> > get-orig-source target>
> > Le Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 03:00:25AM +0530, Faheem Mitha a écrit :
> > > r-cran-scales is now in Debian, but r-cran-ggplot2 has not yet been
> > > updated. I see that r-cran-scales is not installable, because it
> > > depends on r-cran-munsell, which is not in Debian, at least not
> > > currently on my mirror for amd64.
> >
> > Hi Faheem,
> >
> > r-cran-munsell was submitted to the Debian archive and is currently under
> > review.
> >
> > http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/r-cran-munsell_0.4-1.html
> >
> > However, it contains a binary file, 'sysdata.rda', that is data table in a
> > compressed format. The question is whether it is generated and refreshed
> > by the upstream author using a source file that is not distributed in the
> > source package. Such a work would not be Free according to our
> > principles.>
> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-med-packaging/2013-Aug
> > ust/021177.html>
> > In the newer upstream version 0.4.2, there is a script to generate
> > sysdata.rda from another file, real.dat, in text format. There is no
> > information on where this table comes from, how was it created, and what
> > is the preferred way to modify it.
> >
> > If you had time to contact the upstream authors and get this point
> > clarified, that would be a tremendous help. In the meantime, it may be
> > difficult to update r-cran-ggplot2. I have asked for a temporary
> > exemption, but I did not receive an answer yet.
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/20130807233230.GA12437@falafel.plessy.net
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> >
> > PS: I had a quick look at corrmodel (but did not have time to test it),
> > and did not find obvious problems. For the package containing the R
> > scripts, it may not be necessary to name it according to the convention
> > for packaged R modules, since it is not a R module. By the way, is it a
> > software to study clonotypes ? I have a (much simpler) work on line at
> > http://clonotyper.branchable.com/
> >
> > Cheers,
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